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Why I Don't Rotate My Carry Guns
« on: February 18, 2015, 09:42:42 pm »
I decided about 6 months ago to stop “rotating” carry guns and limit myself to either an M&P Shield or an M&P 9.

Hick’s Law postulates that the more variables you add to the decision making process the longer it takes you to make a decision and act on it. So if I add variables by carrying different guns in different locations in different types of holsters with varying levels of retention all I’m really doing is adding to the menu options I have to go through in my mind before acting in a self defense scenario. My brain has to answer a series of questions before I can even start to draw my firearm.

Eliminating variables makes anything a human does more consistent and reliable. By definition if I’m in a self defense situation I’m already behind the curve. Every step I have to take to prepare to and defend myself is an opportunity for something to go wrong. Every step or decision that I can eliminate increases the odds in my favor.

It's my belief that the more I practice with my carry gun the better I'm going to be with it under stress. The fewer variables in my equipment the faster I'm going to draw, the less chance of a mistake or hesitation, and the better my chances of survival. I have completely eliminated the variable of what I'm carrying, where, or how. It's always exactly the same. I'm better prepared to defend myself as a result.
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    Re: Why I Don't Rotate My Carry Guns
    « Reply #1 on: February 18, 2015, 09:45:22 pm »
    That's one theory. 
    Also... that's boring.  Seriously, I about fell asleep just reading the post.   
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    No, I see the point of this.  Guys like me... The phrase "Gun Slut" was invented specifically for me by Larry Correia.  Gun Whore is also a common phrase.   It took me decades to get to be "Good" with all handguns I carry.  Lots of practice with everything.  This meant it took awhile to get good at any one of them as well.   But I was looking at the long picture.  That's just me.  And I don't recommend it.
    However any serious Gun Guy should be competent with any handgun put into his hands. 
    The basic principles are all the same.
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    Re: Why I Don't Rotate My Carry Guns
    « Reply #2 on: February 18, 2015, 09:59:46 pm »
    I switch guns allot, or I did lately I've been back on the 1911's for 99% of the time. When I'm testing a new holster often I'll build it in several different carry guns and sizes switching between them. I'll say this though most of my guns have similar function other than manual safeties and triggers. However I've never had to draw and fire in a real life scenario. I have however drawn and fired to kill critters mostly racoons or porkies. When I do that typically it's under pressure, not because I'm being attacked but usually I'm trying for a shot before it runs off. Now neither move fast and you'd think it would be slow but often it's near a building or going under the house etc. All things that put a fairly good time crunch on the decision making between drawing, making sure it's safe to shoot and firing. I can say that I've done that same routine with most of my guns and after the fact often realized what I happened to be carrying that day. I've done it countless times with the 1911's and quite a few times with little guns like my PF9. Those two are very different guns but at the time I didn't notice, just drew fired and got it done before I realized consciously what I was doing or had done really. Sounds weird but each time it went quick enough I didn't have time to really think about it until after the fact.

    Now I will say one thing that throws me way off is carrying somewhere but my strong side hip, IWB, OWB doesn't matter. But if I'm carrying crossdraw I'm slow at best, likely reaching for the wrong hip. Shoulder rig, same problem actually have done this out here trying to shoot critters. So I've found at least in my experiences that carrying in the same spot is important, carrying somewhat the same gun helps too. But like I mentioned above none of this is super accurate but it's what I've run into, and typically I kill quite a few small critters out in the woods annually since it's where I live. I'm always killing critters trying to get the chickens or something. I probably take more squirrels with my 1911's than I do the 22 in a year since it's what I've got with me;)

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    Re: Why I Don't Rotate My Carry Guns
    « Reply #3 on: February 18, 2015, 10:15:39 pm »
    However any serious Gun Guy should be competent with any handgun put into his hands. 

    I am confident that I could make any gun I pick up work but why should I make my task that much more difficult?

    Several years ago when I first started carrying a gun someone tried to mug me. I drew my firearm from my pocket and the guy saw it and took off. At the time I carried my gun with an empty chamber for “safety” and in the heat of the moment completely forgot that I was carrying an (essentially) unloaded gun and made no attempt to chamber a round.

    That incident gave me a first hand look at how your mind works under stress. Had the guy pressed the attack I would have very likely gone down trying to squeeze the trigger and not knowing why my gun wasn’t firing.

    All of my training could be characterized as a process of simplifying and streamlining and cutting out the things that don’t work.

    I’ve said it before but every variable and every step you add to the process is just one more chance for something to go wrong at the worst possible moment that it could go wrong. I am not willing to bet my life that on that day I’ll remember if I’m carrying a gun with a safety or not and I’m not willing to bet my life that if I remember wrong I’ll have time to correct the mistake.

    In fact I’m not wiling to bet my life that the safety won’t pick that day to stick. That’s why I carry strictly striker fired pistols with no manual safety and a loaded chamber Pull, point, shoot,
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    Re: Why I Don't Rotate My Carry Guns
    « Reply #4 on: February 18, 2015, 10:23:40 pm »
       I agree with both viewpoints.

    I practice a lot with a lot of handguns.      My choices are a bit easier since my Sig 220 .45, Beretta 92 9mm and Ruger .357 security Six are all DA/SA handguns, very similar in operation.   No safeties, all DA first shot or SA if you want it, my reloads are in the same spot and I think I practice well enough to not have to worry about it.

     I always carry strong side, been going OWB lately so that makes it easier as well.

     
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    « Reply #5 on: February 18, 2015, 10:52:45 pm »
    I once rotated my gun.

    It didn't work nearly as well.

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    Re: Why I Don't Rotate My Carry Guns
    « Reply #6 on: February 18, 2015, 11:21:30 pm »
    I don't stick to 1 gun.  But I do stick to one platform.  DA wheelguns.  All of them Rugers.   For two main reasons somewhat alined with your theory-

    1.  Why all Rugers?  The cylinder release is the same on ALL of them.  Yes, I know how to run a S&W, Colt, Dan Wesson etc., cylinder release.  But under stress, possibly in the dark, without looking?  I'll stick with what has become ingrained habit.

    2.  I may catch a little hell for this one, but-  I don't use safeties on any of my guns.  I hate them.  Muzzle control and trigger discipline are my safeties.  If it's loaded, I mean it to be.  If it's pointed at something or someone, I mean it to be.

    I've found that you better train all in, one way or the other-  Either carry guns that you always use the safety, or carry ones that you don't need to, or do not have them.
    This may not be a mindset or method for everyone, but it works for me.
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    Re: Why I Don't Rotate My Carry Guns
    « Reply #7 on: February 18, 2015, 11:55:55 pm »
    That's one of the reasons why I mostly use my SP101 now.    Less complicated and not as much to mess with if I need to use it.   
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    « Reply #8 on: February 19, 2015, 08:51:25 am »
    I carry only one platform, the Glock.

    A 26, 30sf, 17 or the issued 21sf

    Yeah, I can shoot pretty much anything but I find if I stick to one type of platform I do much better
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    Re: Why I Don't Rotate My Carry Guns
    « Reply #9 on: February 19, 2015, 12:56:29 pm »
    I have too many (well, maybe not too many) long guns and handguns.  I do shoot them all, and try (operative word) to be proficient in them all.  But, I think OP's theory is a modern day variation of the old saying: 

    "Beware the man with only one gun.  He probably knows how to use it." 

    For that reason, I carry only one handgun, and have only one handgun in my home at bedside for personal defense.   While they are not the same, I know each of them intimately, know the role each plays, and would not hesitate in any way if called upon to raise either in necessary defense of self or family.

    The others have their purpose for shooting sports, hunting, target or other uses, including just fun.   But, I personally need the familarity that come from regular, systematic use of the same weapon for either carry, or at the bedside.   That's just me.
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    « Reply #10 on: February 19, 2015, 01:41:22 pm »

    2.  I may catch a little hell for this one, but-  I don't use safeties on any of my guns.  I hate them.  Muzzle control and trigger discipline are my safeties.  If it's loaded, I mean it to be.  If it's pointed at something or someone, I mean it to be.

    I've found that you better train all in, one way or the other-  Either carry guns that you always use the safety, or carry ones that you don't need to, or do not have them.
    This may not be a mindset or method for everyone, but it works for me.

    No hell from me.  The only gun I have in a carry size that has a safety lever installed will not have that safety lever engaged while carried.  Basically the SR-9c without the safety activated works exactly like a Glock.  Everything else is either DA/SA or DAO.  I.e. - for all of them, point it and pull the trigger.
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    « Reply #11 on: February 19, 2015, 01:44:52 pm »
    I'm not for or against a safety, I've found at least for me if I train to take off the safety going to a gun without one my thumb more less does the motion but doesn't hit anything which is fine since it's not there on some guns.

    Really it just comes down to what works for you, carrying one gun is likely the best approach since it's the same always. I tend to go towards carrying mostly guns that are the same like my two 1911's and between them I don't really notice any difference in shooting. But in summer or times when I want a light carry gun I don't mind carrying something else or if the mood strikes me I'll carrying one or more of something else. Just the way I do things;)

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    Re: Why I Don't Rotate My Carry Guns
    « Reply #12 on: February 19, 2015, 05:00:55 pm »
    To be clear I don’t just carry the one gun, I carry 1 of 2 guns that are mechanically identical.

    I predominately carry my M&P9 and then when I’m at home or if I’m going somewhere where concealment is a greater concern I carry my M&P 9mm Shield.

    I worked as a framer for several years and I never felt the need to try out new and different framing hammers I carried the same Estwing everyday and it worked just fine.

    I see guns the same way; it’s not an expression of my personal style it’s a tool that I use for a specific purpose and I want to be as good at using that tool as I can be. 
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    « Reply #13 on: February 19, 2015, 09:28:36 pm »
    That's one theory. 
    Also... that's boring.  Seriously, I about fell asleep just reading the post.   
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    No, I see the point of this.  Guys like me... The phrase "Gun Slut" was invented specifically for me by Larry Correia.  Gun Whore is also a common phrase.   It took me decades to get to be "Good" with all handguns I carry.  Lots of practice with everything.  This meant it took awhile to get good at any one of them as well.   But I was looking at the long picture.  That's just me.  And I don't recommend it.
    However any serious Gun Guy should be competent with any handgun put into his hands. 
    The basic principles are all the same.

    I kind of like George's idea :hide . I like variety and there is no reason to slut shame the gun whore. If I had more money, I'd probably be one too.
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    « Reply #14 on: February 19, 2015, 10:34:31 pm »
    I can appreciate the wisdom of not rotating between guns.  For a long time I only owned one handgun so it was a moot point and I did become fairly proficient with that one.  That said, I own more than one now and have made it my business to know how to run the ones I choose to carry.  I feel confident in the guns and my ability to employ them as needed.  Put a double action revolver or a 1911 style auto pistol in my hands and I'll still wish I had my shotgun but at least I have a reasonable chance of fighting my way back to it.
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    Re: Why I Don't Rotate My Carry Guns
    « Reply #15 on: February 21, 2015, 06:29:29 pm »
    There are a couple of variations on this thread going on at other forums right now. I’ve read through a couple of them and the people in them have made some really good points.

    (IMO) Having different guns for different circumstances is not the same as “rotating” your carry guns. As I’ve stated before I switch off between one of two guns depending on circumstances and my concealment needs. 90% of the time based on my circumstance I can dress in a way that that accommodates a full sized gun so I carry the M&P9. When I have to dress differently or I’m sitting around the house and I don’t want to carry a full sized gun I carry my Shield but in either case I’m carrying two almost identical guns.

    One of the reasons I made this decision is because I don’t feel like I get to the range all that often so I want to maximize the time I’m there and I feel like getting myself up to speed on various platforms takes away from that so I stick with the one.

    To me “rotating” your carry guns is a mood thing. Like “I’m bored with my 1911 so today I’m going to carry my GLOCK” and for me mood has nothing to do with carrying a gun.

    My guns aren’t an expression of my individual style. They’re tools and that’s how they get treated, like tools. As I said above I never felt the need to switch out framing hammers. I also don’t switch based on any threat assessment. If things are so tense that I’m questioning if I have enough gun I don’t go. Of course the exception would be that I probably wouldn’t carry a 9mm  if I were going into the mountains where I literally might encounter a bear.

     
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    « Reply #16 on: February 21, 2015, 07:28:14 pm »
    You bring up some good points, and I agree with you.  I carry my Kareen Hi Power every day, and in the same position.  When summer comes around, I will transition entirely to my Glock for the reduced weight. (and the enhanced concealability that that provides)  I will then carry that every single day, in the same manner, until it is time to break out the winter wardrobe.

    Just be aware that others may have the time and patience to learn all of their weapon systems to the point of being able to carry them interchangeably.  I don't, you don't, but some others here do.



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    « Reply #17 on: February 21, 2015, 07:39:40 pm »
    Just be aware that others may have the time and patience to learn all of their weapon systems to the point of being able to carry them interchangeably.  I don't, you don't, but some others here do.

    I never said "you" (generic) shouldn't

    I said I don't

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    « Reply #18 on: February 21, 2015, 08:42:28 pm »
    I see the reasoning, it's just not mine.

    I prefer SA pistols but I like everything. Until my state laws went from suck to blow I had 10 guns in my carry rotation. SA, DA/SA, striker fired, revolver. Not worried about brain farting on the off chance I need to "use", use them.

    Took my more than 10+1 out and I no longer carry my PF-9 so now it's just 6 in my rotation. Well, 5. 6 once I get back my Delta Elite.
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    « Reply #19 on: February 22, 2015, 02:17:37 am »
    I once rotated my gun.

    It didn't work nearly as well.

    Did it leave a scar?

    I can't believe no one else picked up on that.
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    « Reply #20 on: February 22, 2015, 04:01:27 pm »
    Did it leave a scar?

    I can't believe no one else picked up on that.
    Picked up on it?  Yes.

    But put it right back down.   :rotfl
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