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Re: Which Gun, Which Caliber, and the Shot Placement Myth:
« Reply #25 on: February 03, 2016, 10:15:03 pm »
This is what I carry, so that'll tell you what I think about it.




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Actually that is what I got from the above article. I feel it is a strawman to say they were proposing to not carry an extra magazine, rather they were speaking of available real estate and need. For me personally, if I have one empty pocket and the choice between pepper spray or an extra magazine, then forgoing the magazine is a wise decision. Another example could be if you work in a dark environment and choose that extra magazine over a flashlight. Or let's say I had a pocket left and wanted a BUG but only carried one magazine in my primary gun, then dude.... Why not just stuff two mags in the pocket and forget the second gun? You'll effectively make the best choice between rounds and available carry space that way.

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Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
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    Re: Which Gun, Which Caliber, and the Shot Placement Myth:
    « Reply #26 on: February 04, 2016, 12:59:41 am »
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    I could be wrong because it has been a while since I read the book, but I think that Grossman mentioned in 'On Combat' that in interviewing many LEO's,  he found that many remembered focusing on the front sight of their sidearm during their gunfight.

    I believe you are possibly thinking about Jim Cirillo's study and commentary in his book "Guns, Bullets and Gunfights".   

    On a personal note-  I don't use safeties, on any weapon.  It's just a personal choice, made after a lot of trigger time, a lot of what if time, and a lot of time in the field on hunting trips.  It's a personal choice, not made lightly, and I could write a book about why that choice is right for me, and not convince you I wasn't nuts if you're a die hard 1911 guy.  But that's you.  I carry revolver as an "always" gun.  We have different tools, requiring differing skill sets to use safely.

    I will trot this opinion out there on the matter of safeties after a lot of time observing shooters of many different levels as a RO for a several different types of shooting events-  You either use the safety all the time, every time or, don't use it at all.  Now, with some firearms safety use is mandatory(i.e.-SA semi autos pistols).  But fot those weapons where it is more of an option, make a choice, and stick with it- 

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    Re: Which Gun, Which Caliber, and the Shot Placement Myth:
    « Reply #27 on: February 04, 2016, 03:51:18 pm »
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    On a personal note-  I don't use safeties, on any weapon.  It's just a personal choice, made after a lot of trigger time, a lot of what if time, and a lot of time in the field on hunting trips.  It's a personal choice, not made lightly, and I could write a book about why that choice is right for me, and not convince you I wasn't nuts if you're a die hard 1911 guy.  But that's you.  I carry revolver as an "always" gun.  We have different tools, requiring differing skill sets to use safely.

    I will trot this opinion out there on the matter of safeties after a lot of time observing shooters of many different levels as a RO for a several different types of shooting events-  You either use the safety all the time, every time or, don't use it at all.  Now, with some firearms safety use is mandatory(i.e.-SA semi autos pistols).  But fot those weapons where it is more of an option, make a choice, and stick with it- 

    Because you WILL fight like you train.

    Agreed.  For handguns.  I have multiple handguns that are carry-able.  The only one that even has a safety has it ignored, and it is always in the "fire" position.  Admittedly, I've not carried it yet, mostly because I don't yet have a holster.  I intend to remedy that after tax season.  And my normal carry gun is a revolver.  But the semis all work basically the same as the revolver.  Draw - aim - pull trigger - pull trigger again if necessary.  Only the reload methods change.

    For long guns, when hunting, I have the chamber loaded, safety on, thumb near the safety and finger off the trigger.  Mostly because I'm walking and carrying it in my hands.  If I trip I might accidentally pull the trigger or a stick could get in there as I fall and pull the trigger (it has happened, just not to me).  I don't hunt dangerous game, so it is the choice I've made that I've followed for over forty years.
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    Re: Which Gun, Which Caliber, and the Shot Placement Myth:
    « Reply #28 on: February 05, 2016, 05:39:16 pm »
    ok,  and Mas Ayoob weighs in on this as well.

    posted in Daily Caller, with a tag date of 2-4-16 from Personal Defense World dot com.

    http://dailycaller.com/2016/02/04/massad-ayoob-gunfighting-fact-vs-fiction/

    He basically sums it up at the end with this observation

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    Re: Which Gun, Which Caliber, and the Shot Placement Myth:
    « Reply #29 on: February 05, 2016, 06:52:35 pm »
    I usually carry an SP101,  but I've been thinking of going to something with more capacity lately.  The SP101 is good because it is easy to operate and easily fits into a pocket with a holster.  However,  that's only 5 shots plus a couple of speedloaders and/or strips. 

    My CZ75 and Witness are great guns, but they are a little on the large side.  I might take a look at a Ruger SR9 at the big gun show next month.
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