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Tragic story, but lessons to be learned from it.
« on: August 18, 2012, 12:27:26 pm »
I saw this story on Fox today, it's details from an ongoing case that many have probably seen already:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/17/louisiana-man-pleads-guilty-in-slayings-two-women/?test=latestnews

I know a lot of women who scoff at the idea of carrying a gun for self defense, and say they'll carry mace.  I usually reply that mace is better than nothing, but then say that a determined attacker won't be stopped by it.  They usually seem to think that I'm being silly.

In this sad story, the attacker was maced, and the girl even wrestled away his own knife and stabbed him with it, but was eventually killed despite a valiant effort to defend herself.

Mace is better then nothing, a knife is better then nothing, but they won't solve everything.

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    Re: Tragic story, but lessons to be learned from it.
    « Reply #1 on: August 18, 2012, 01:50:32 pm »
    Stories like that are really pushing me to start on the road to self protection classes for women. I was trying to explain to a friend why her car keys, mace or other less than leathal options (including martial arts) were a lot less effective than they believed. A good friend of mine is a stout woman. She is the former training partner of current USA Judo Medalist Marti Malloy (local girl) She also out weighs me by a good 50 lbs. She wanted to grapple, and she did get me to the ground, but her fortunes very quickly reversed and she found herself in a vulnerable position. This is girl with size, strenghth, and training, but when a stronger, determined male, makes up their mind to do harm, it really doesnt matter as the physical limitations are too much.

    I think that if, as a community, made females more aware of these dangers and limitations that the concealed carry crowd would swell with mothers, sisters, wives and daughters.
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    Re: Tragic story, but lessons to be learned from it.
    « Reply #2 on: August 18, 2012, 03:35:03 pm »
    +1
    Indiana'The average response time of a 911 call is over 23 minutes, the average response time of a .44 magnum is 1400 feet per second.'

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    « Reply #3 on: August 18, 2012, 03:41:26 pm »
    I agree with the points made so far but the thing I see most often, especially with women, is an appalling lack of situational awareness.  I think just being aware of potential danger counts for as much as being trained to deal with it.
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    « Reply #4 on: August 18, 2012, 04:50:50 pm »
    I agree with the points made so far but the thing I see most often, especially with women, is an appalling lack of situational awareness.  I think just being aware of potential danger counts for as much as being trained to deal with it.

    To an extent. You can keep yourself out of 99% of bad situations with good awarness, so maybe it's more important. But the training can keep you from not getting dead in the other 1%
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    « Reply #5 on: August 18, 2012, 05:55:53 pm »
    So.... is there any restriction on sex offenders owning/possessing firearms?  If there are, I'd love to know how he got his.  If not, then carry on.
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    « Reply #6 on: August 18, 2012, 07:33:50 pm »
    She fought, she never gave up.  Maybe with better tools she would be alive still.

    I don't know about Louisiana, but Maine has some allowance for some felons who have served their time to own and use long arms only for hunting.  I would be curious to learn how he got the pistol. 

    People who choose to break the law and harm others seldom choose to observe other laws.  Anyone intent on vehicular assault, kidnapping, assault with a deadly weapon, and sexual assault is probably unlikely to care that there are laws prohibiting him from possessing or using a handgun.


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    Tragic story, but lessons to be learned from it.
    « Reply #7 on: August 18, 2012, 08:40:44 pm »
    The thought on the sex offender restrictions is to see if the firearm was obtained in a lawful manner.  If it wasn't was there any deceit in the transaction. If there was a law on the books it just goes to show that gun control does not work.
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    « Reply #8 on: August 18, 2012, 09:10:41 pm »
    Jimmy crack corn and...you got it! Bad guys don't care!
    So any bs about gun laws is a moot point.
    She is dead.

    Indiana'The average response time of a 911 call is over 23 minutes, the average response time of a .44 magnum is 1400 feet per second.'

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    « Reply #9 on: August 19, 2012, 12:50:37 am »
    As far as women and situational awareness go I believe it depends greatly on the things they were exposed to growing up. I know some men who have none also.

    My wife is pretty good and it is something we have discussed many times. When I explained the different conditions (white yellow... ) to her she picked up on the concept immediately.

    The thing I have noticed is she views and cues in on different things then I do. I tend to look at situations and tactics if something were to go wrong. She focuses more on individuals. I believe it is a force/size thing. She is well aware of the male female strength disparity, and picks up on sketchy characters quickly and keeps an eye on them.
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    « Reply #10 on: August 19, 2012, 10:19:56 am »
    Women have a better balance and lower center of gravity than men.
    For example.
    Take a wooden chair (Fuull size) and place the back against a wall.
    Walk up to the chair and place your knees against the edge when standing fully erect.
    Bend over and place your head against the wall.
    Pick up the chair with your hands and try to stand up without moving your legs or pushing against the wall.
    Women can do this over and over.
    Men have trouble.

    Indiana'The average response time of a 911 call is over 23 minutes, the average response time of a .44 magnum is 1400 feet per second.'

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    « Reply #11 on: August 19, 2012, 05:53:40 pm »
    So....... you are advocating the use of a chair as a weapon? I think a handgun in any major caliber would be better.
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    « Reply #12 on: August 19, 2012, 07:24:44 pm »
    So....... you are advocating the use of a chair as a weapon? I think a handgun in any major caliber would be better.
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    « Reply #13 on: August 21, 2012, 03:46:48 pm »
    My girlfriend knows she's tiny and weak, despite being very athletic. She owns a number of firearms, long and short, and she gets frustrated about not having ranges close by to practice as much as she'd like. I don't worry about her even living across the country.

    My sister, otoh, has been to the range with me a few times, and enjoys it about once a year. She doesn't own guns, and I have to re-teach her every time we shoot. This last time, I showed her a Glock 19. She wasn't enamored with it until I told her it was "idiot proof." She liked that and seemed more comfortable with the idea of "point, bang" with no intervening steps. We talked about her possibly getting one all the way home, and I thought it might happen. Then I moved a week later, so I'm not there to keep it off the back burner. It probably wouldn't do her much good since her boyfriend thinks it would need to be locked up. :banghead
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    « Reply #14 on: August 23, 2012, 08:34:32 am »
    Oof-da!
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    « Reply #15 on: August 23, 2012, 11:17:21 am »
    It probably wouldn't do her much good since her boyfriend thinks it would need to be locked up. :banghead

    If he thinks that, it probably would be a good idea for her to keep any guns she might get locked up.  Wouldn't want him to have an accident miss-handling one.
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    « Reply #16 on: August 23, 2012, 02:03:51 pm »
    If he thinks that, it probably would be a good idea for her to keep any guns she might get locked up.  Wouldn't want him to have an accident miss-handling one.

    I'm not tracking... He's saying guns in his house will be locked up (to keep the dog from playing with it? :shrug ), and he get's to say that since he pays the mortgage.
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    « Reply #17 on: August 24, 2012, 07:07:35 pm »
    I'm not tracking... He's saying guns in his house will be locked up (to keep the dog from playing with it? :shrug ), and he get's to say that since he pays the mortgage.

    I'm not judging or anything, but I have told my own sister many times, "My house, my rules" is for parents, not partners.
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    « Reply #18 on: August 24, 2012, 08:15:48 pm »
    Not my house, not my relationship. I don't get a say in this. I do believe it's a decision they need to make as a couple, and one I certainly don't get to make for them.
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