Author Topic: Tourniquets for EDC. (Read 22360 times)

sohmdaddy · « **Reply #50 on:** September 05, 2017, 08:01:45 pm »

Here are some photos.

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MTK20 · « **Reply #51 on:** September 05, 2017, 09:22:00 pm »

The SOFT-T looks useful and like it has some potential to fold nice and compact

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http://shop.skinnymedic.com/SOFT-Tourniquet-SOFT-T-soft-t.htm

MTK20 · « **Reply #52 on:** September 05, 2017, 09:23:58 pm »

Nvm, both look pretty long/large and it's tough to tell through a computer screen

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coelacanth · « **Reply #53 on:** September 06, 2017, 02:39:24 am »

Yup. I'm actually shorter, fatter and older than I actually look on a computer screen . . .

sohmdaddy · « **Reply #54 on:** September 06, 2017, 03:26:34 am »

I don't like how much fiddling around, and cinching is required on the SOF-T, compared with the CAT for one-handed application.

Of course, I also carry the SWAT-T which requires more practice than either of those to self-apply to an arm.

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sohmdaddy · « **Reply #55 on:** September 06, 2017, 03:50:04 am »

Just saw the video of the SOFT-T wide with upgraded buckle. That might solve my qualms with that tourniquet.

MTK20 · « **Reply #56 on:** September 06, 2017, 09:18:40 am »

Quote from: coelacanth on September 06, 2017, 02:39:24 am

Yup. I'm actually shorter, fatter and older than I actually look on a computer screen . . .

Chief45 · « **Reply #57 on:** September 06, 2017, 04:53:46 pm »

Had a chat with our trauma medic on the SRT team. Yep. protocol on tourniquets has changed. I'll be purchasing some more equipment and we've made plans for a gunshot / knife wound trauma class / basic first aid refresher for my department, in the next couple of months. I appreciate the information as my training is out of date. But then, I also remember training on about 6 different protocols for CPR as well.

anyway, good info and thanks for keeping me better informed guys.

Quote from: LowKey on September 05, 2017, 11:38:46 am

Chief,
Not trying to poo-poo on your training, but if you have any say so in it please push for more up to date protocols. Aside from properly applied TQ's not being as much a risk for tissue damage as had been thought before, it speeds up things when you can slap one on and move onto to other urgent issues rather than remaining focused on applying pressure and whatnot. Especially if EMS will be along shortly to transport to higher care.

MTK20 · « **Reply #58 on:** September 06, 2017, 05:32:02 pm »

Quote from: Chief45 on September 06, 2017, 04:53:46 pm

Had a chat with our trauma medic on the SRT team. Yep. protocol on tourniquets has changed. I'll be purchasing some more equipment and we've made plans for a gunshot / knife wound trauma class / basic first aid refresher for my department, in the next couple of months. I appreciate the information as my training is out of date. But then, I also remember training on about 6 different protocols for CPR as well.

anyway, good info and thanks for keeping me better informed guys.

I can help with this!

My BLS training for healthcare professionals, as provided to me by the AHA, says that if you are a single rescuer you give 30 compressions to every 2 rescue breaths. Compressions are most important and save lives, so make sure to do those first. If you have a partner with you, the protocol is the same 30 compressions to 2 breaths, except one of you will be compressions and the other will give breaths (you change roles/positions based on the fatigue of the compressor).

Healthcare providers specifically need AHA BLS training, so if you take a CPR class I recommend going through AHA. We have to renew ours every couple of years or so in order to work.

Chief45 · « **Reply #59 on:** September 06, 2017, 05:56:44 pm »

we just did our re-cert, within the 10 months. and rescue breaths are no longer used, only chest compression. as per AHA via per Red Cross, taught by our local EMS.

as above, I've been CPR certified for 30 plus years and I've had to go through about 6 different protocols now.

Quote from: MTK20 on September 06, 2017, 05:32:02 pm

I can help with this!

My BLS training for healthcare professionals, as provided to me by the AHA, says that if you are a single rescuer you give 30 compressions to every 2 rescue breaths. Compressions are most important and save lives, so make sure to do those first. If you have a partner with you, the protocol is the same 30 compressions to 2 breaths, except one of you will be compressions and the other will give breaths (you change roles/positions based on the fatigue of the compressor).

Healthcare providers specifically need AHA BLS training, so if you take a CPR class I recommend going through AHA. We have to renew ours every couple of years or so in order to work.

MTK20 · « **Reply #60 on:** September 06, 2017, 06:16:03 pm »

Quote from: Chief45 on September 06, 2017, 05:56:44 pm

we just did our re-cert, within the 10 months. and rescue breaths are no longer used, only chest compression. as per AHA via per Red Cross, taught by our local EMS.

as above, I've been CPR certified for 30 plus years and I've had to go through about 6 different protocols now.

They taught you no rescue breaths at all? That's weird.

I know they stopped teaching them to joe public, but that's because of 'ick' factor, not so much that rescue breaths are a bad thing to give.

I was only trying to be helpful, btw, not insulting your 30 years of CPR experience

. From the sounds of it, you have taken it and recertified way more than I have

. Hell, I'm not even 30 years old.

21B · « **Reply #61 on:** September 06, 2017, 10:08:52 pm »

I've only done the CPR re-cert twice in the last five years, and yes, they changed to just chest compressions (wonder what they will change next?).

Anywho, check out the link for a vid on how effective the RAT is:

http://soldiersystems.net/2017/09/06/video-depicts-rats-tourniquet-efficacy-comfirmed-by-doppler/

MTK20 · « **Reply #62 on:** September 06, 2017, 11:07:35 pm »

Quote from: 21B on September 06, 2017, 10:08:52 pm

I've only done the CPR re-cert twice in the last five years, and yes, they changed to just chest compressions (wonder what they will change next?).

Anywho, check out the link for a vid on how effective the RAT is:

http://soldiersystems.net/2017/09/06/video-depicts-rats-tourniquet-efficacy-comfirmed-by-doppler/

The comments section on that page is a nightmare!

I checked out the vid and it looks good!

I think I might get the SWAT-T for EDC, but if the SOFT-T could fold up nicely, that would be grand as well. Since I started doing my research, the RAT has a hell of a lot of polarising press for some reason. People either love it or they say it'll get ya "kilt in da streetz"

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sohmdaddy · « **Reply #63 on:** September 07, 2017, 12:18:01 am »

We watched a video in my Advanced EMT class, about some new research. When doing proper chest compressions, it takes about 17 reps to build up enough pressure to make the blood start to move. And it only takes 3 seconds of rest for all that pressure to dissipate. So for EMTs they are still saying 30:2 compressions to breaths, but they are anticipating that the EMT crew would have bag valve masks and a partner to work with. If you are by yourself, or don't have the skill or equipment to give good breaths, then just do compressions. Moving the blood from the lungs to the body is far more important and difficult than making sure the lungs have fresh air in them.

Chief45 · « **Reply #64 on:** September 07, 2017, 11:03:43 am »

No worries, just was a comment about how things keep changing over the years.

I've been talking with our EMS director and their training officer, looks like we are going to set up a B-Con (Blood control) class for our people and see where we go from there.

Several different tourniquets on the market. since I don't have a clue about any of them, I'll go with whatever our local EMS says to obtain and issue. Since they will be the ones doing the training, makes things simpler if they train us on what they prefer

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Quote from: MTK20 on September 06, 2017, 06:16:03 pm

They taught you no rescue breaths at all? That's weird.

I know they stopped teaching them to joe public, but that's because of 'ick' factor, not so much that rescue breaths are a bad thing to give.

I was only trying to be helpful, btw, not insulting your 30 years of CPR experience . From the sounds of it, you have taken it and recertified way more than I have . Hell, I'm not even 30 years old.

coyotesfan97 · « **Reply #65 on:** September 07, 2017, 05:41:21 pm »

Quote from: Chief45 on September 06, 2017, 05:56:44 pm

we just did our re-cert, within the 10 months. and rescue breaths are no longer used, only chest compression. as per AHA via per Red Cross, taught by our local EMS.

as above, I've been CPR certified for 30 plus years and I've had to go through about 6 different protocols now.

That's what they taught in our re cert class

coyotesfan97 · « **Reply #66 on:** September 07, 2017, 05:48:07 pm »

We are currently being taught that TQs go as high up on the limb as they can go in case the artery has retracted inside the limb from the cut. Our medics say TQs can stay on for a long time without damaging the limb.

I currently carry a CAT TQ and Quik Clot on my person all the time when working. I just bought a hard case that I can attach to my patrol vest. I have another TQ on my tactical vest. I also have a first aid kits for my dog and me in the car.

My Department is in the process of buying IFAIKs for every patrol officer and will be training them in their use. I forgot which TQ will be in the kit.

cpaspr · « **Reply #67 on:** September 07, 2017, 06:01:50 pm »

Pardon my ignorance, but what does IFAIK stand for? Google was useless.

MTK20 · « **Reply #68 on:** September 07, 2017, 06:18:16 pm »

Quote from: cpaspr on September 07, 2017, 06:01:50 pm

Pardon my ignorance, but what does IFAIK stand for? Google was useless.

Level I First Aid Kit. Is typically what I see it meaning (IFAK). I'm not sure if he snuck an extra I in there or if his abbreviation means something different

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zayerpaul · « **Reply #69 on:** September 07, 2017, 07:47:29 pm »

IFAK stands for Individual First Aid Kit. I had no idea for the longest time either until someone on another thread used the full name. I had previously assumed the "I" stood for infantry because of all the military guys using the abbreviation.

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LowKey · « **Reply #70 on:** September 08, 2017, 11:07:57 am »

What he ^ said.

Keep in mind it's contents are intended to treat YOU, not someone else.
If you use the contents of YOUR kit on the first casualty you come to, what happens when you become a casualty a few minutes later?
You bleed out, because your TQ and bandages are wrapped around some other guys leg.

I realize that things may not pan out that way in real life, you may roll up on someone who needs a TQ and who isn't carrying one themselves....obviously you're going to do what you have to do, but if they have an IFAK use their stuff to treat them first.
Likewise is you need to improvise a TQ, take the item from the casualty not yourself. They won't be needing their belt to hold up their pants, you on the other hand probably do.

MTK20 · « **Reply #71 on:** September 11, 2017, 10:30:47 pm »

https://worldpoint.com/storm-ankle-kit.html

Think I found something that I need to consider. I really like this idea

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ZeroTA · « **Reply #72 on:** September 11, 2017, 11:14:06 pm »

I'm late to the party. Sorry, didn't read the last half of the thread so sorry if I'm rehashing.

I have 2 Dark Angel HALO kits, one in each vehicle. I'll usually take the CAT-T out and carry it if I feel I'm a fun zone that warrants it. Bandages are easily improvised, good TQ's not so much.

The RAT is...decent. Not the best. I say this with zero experience besides one Trauma Medicine class. RATS don't work as well, and CAT's are easier to apply, both one and two-handed on yourself and others.

Guys will spend $200+ on a Glock barrel that doesn't do s*** but won't spend the money on a decent tourniquet. Buy a CAT-T and keep it handy.

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coyotesfan97 · « **Reply #73 on:** September 12, 2017, 04:10:43 pm »

Ryker Nylon Gear AFAK (Ankle First Aid Kit) CAT, scissors, gauze, quick clot, duct tape

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coelacanth · « **Reply #74 on:** September 12, 2017, 04:24:13 pm »

Nice.