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Re: The Viability of Revolvers for EDC
« Reply #25 on: December 09, 2015, 10:10:33 am »

One thing to consider is that ONE reason I carry a revolver often is.....I just seem to shoot them more accurately.  From a bench, offhand or practice. 
This, and everything about the weapon just feels 'right.'  When dry firing, I find I can maintain better sight picture consistency with a K-frame, than anything else I have yet owned.



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    Re: The Viability of Revolvers for EDC
    « Reply #26 on: December 09, 2015, 10:42:58 am »
    This, and everything about the weapon just feels 'right.'  When dry firing, I find I can maintain better sight picture consistency with a K-frame, than anything else I have yet owned.



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    Maybe that's your ticket then? Hits count, and if you feel the most confident in the k frame, regarding accuracy, then...
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
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    Re: The Viability of Revolvers for EDC
    « Reply #27 on: December 09, 2015, 01:32:36 pm »
    Maybe that's your ticket then?  Hits count, and if you feel the most confident in the k frame, regarding accuracy, then...
    As I said before, I am not decided.  Honestly, I have more than a few conflicting opinions on the matter, and that was before I opened it up to public discussion. (And everyone else's opinions)

    If all else fails, well.... Buy a Glock 20?  :shrug
    I am belatedly declaring a thread win.  I just got off of Buffalo Bore's site...  Their hot 180gr. 10mm loading from a Glock 20 is less than 100 fps off of their 'anti personell' 180gr. .44 mag. out of a 4" pipe.  Out of the 3", which I was considering...  I would have to call a tie.  And you get 16 in the gun, instead of 6.

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    Re: The Viability of Revolvers for EDC
    « Reply #28 on: December 09, 2015, 10:32:49 pm »
    I carry a 4" GP100 off duty and I live in one of the rougher areas of WNC. I still feel very well armed. My GP100 just feels goooooood and I'm deadly accurate with it like no other weapon I own except for my Blackhawk. I was going to go to the range tonight and qualify with the Blackhawk too for off duty carry but we were slammed with calls for service and I couldn't pull away. Eh, maybe next month.

    I practice reloads a couple of times a week and dry fire daily with something, not always my GP100 though.

    As Nightcrawler once pointed out in a post from months ago, (and I paraphrase heavily) you're not likely to find yourself in a protracted shootout and the rounds in the cylinder will likely suffice. I carry two 6 round ammo pouches and two speedloaders for a total of 30 rounds, the same as my standard off duty load of 15 rounds in my Glock 31 and a 14 round magazine on my belt. There's more ammo in my go-bag in the car but who's got time to run get that? No one, dat's who.

    And most importantly, I cut quite the dashing figure with my revolver in good leather. Hooty Hoo!
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    Re: The Viability of Revolvers for EDC
    « Reply #29 on: December 09, 2015, 10:41:09 pm »
    I cut quite the dashing figure with my revolver in good leather. Hooty Hoo!

    That's my reason too.  Leather holster... Wood grips.  Classic Handsome looks.
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    Re: The Viability of Revolvers for EDC
    « Reply #30 on: December 10, 2015, 12:19:45 am »
    Well, for what its worth I'll weigh in as I routinely carry a revolver.  I carry one because I have done so for years and am comfortable with them.  I hit well with the ones I own whether its Colt Agent in .38 special, a S&W model 10 in .38 Special or a S&W model 65 in .357 magnum.

    An HKS speedloader or a couple of speed strips takes care of the need for a reload and the other thing I like about a revolver is that it will always fire at contact distance.  That is if I jam the muzzle into some miscreant and pull the trigger it will fire.  It won't go out of battery and not fire at the moment when I really, really need it to and if I have a misfire I can pull the trigger again on a fresh round without having to clear the chamber.  Yeah, I know the chances of that exact scenario happening are pretty small but there have been a lot of gunfights that didn't happen at seven feet - much less seven yards. 

    You mentioned before that a K frame S&W gives you the best sight picture and trigger pull of anything you've ever shot.  Well, if that translates into a better hit probability with your first shot it would seem to be a fairly compelling argument. 

    Don't get me wrong - I own and carry semi-automatics but I never felt poorly armed with any of my revolvers.   
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    Re: The Viability of Revolvers for EDC
    « Reply #31 on: December 10, 2015, 08:36:02 am »
      Here's one for the viability of the revolver for special purpose or niche carry. I'm off all week. Yesterday, I had to be at a hospital all day. The hospital is, oddly enough, a CCW/firearms friendly zone (not one sign displaying red circle/slash over pistol anywhere on campus...also, it's the same one Sarge712's second child was born in). Even so, discretion is the rule of the day.

    Here's my options:

      BHP (Nope, too big, no cover garment, inside temp at hospital is 76'F).

      WC GP-100 (S.A.A.)

      Walther PPS, (Possible, I have a pocket holster, but still just don't like carrying a striker fired in a pocket and it really only works w/ the flush-fit 6rd mag, but with the short 6rd mag is a sub-optimal grip, so in the end, Nope.)

      Lastly, the 7-shot, S&W 386 Night Guard, fitted w/ an older set of Pachmayr Compact Presentations. (Yes! I can safely and comfortably carry it in the pocket of my rather loose fitting hiking pants w/o a holster, concealing it very well, with no concern for inadvertent discharge. I had 2 speedstrips in one of the several small pockets and a speedloader secured in a Safariland spring steel speedloader carrier, clipped into an oddly positioned "watch" pocket for good concealment, giving me 28 rds of .38Spl +P+ 110gr jhp, concealed yet, readily available. Good S___!
     
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    Re: The Viability of Revolvers for EDC
    « Reply #32 on: December 10, 2015, 01:23:16 pm »
      Here's one for the viability of the revolver for special purpose or niche carry. I'm off all week. Yesterday, I had to be at a hospital all day. The hospital is, oddly enough, a CCW/firearms friendly zone (not one sign displaying red circle/slash over pistol anywhere on campus...also, it's the same one Sarge712's second child was born in). Even so, discretion is the rule of the day.

    Here's my options:

      BHP (Nope, too big, no cover garment, inside temp at hospital is 76'F).

     

     :scrutiny I'm going to have to question the credibility of this story  :neener. I don't think I've ever been in a hospital where the temp was above 68. It's like they purposefully try to freeze you out.

    I've never pocket carried a revolver by itself. I wasn't sure how safe it would be. I have, however, carried a model 10 in the waistband sans holster ala alone style.
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    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
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    « Reply #33 on: December 10, 2015, 01:27:50 pm »
      They keep that place hotter than the gates of Hell!

      Snub pocket carry is safe enough, so long as it's the sole occupant of the pocket (no rolls of Certs, lip balm, other pocket litter, etc..) and so long as one has put in their time safely practicing the carry/presentation method w/ an empty weapon, while around the house.

      There are excellent pocket holsters out there, but they are generally made only for the J-frame sized revolvers. I have a sturdy, stiff, yet thin piece of rough-out leather approximately 8-9" long and 3.5" wide that I fold in the middle, slip in the pocket, then slide the revolver into it.

      This will serve two purposes. One, to give the pocket support and prevent the trigger and hammer from most pressures that could prove unsafe. Second, to break up the outline of the revolver from the average unobservant eyes, while not adding very much appreciable bulk to the weapon. 

      Note: This is much easier done, w/a weapon that has fixed sights. The adjustable sight models will be very uncomfortable in very short order, if one slides the gun into the pocket w/o any supporting appliance.
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    Re: The Viability of Revolvers for EDC
    « Reply #34 on: December 10, 2015, 02:12:37 pm »
    Interesting. The only time I pocket carried was in my retail job. It was a keltec P3at in a nylon something, something brand holster (borrowed from my father). My store was about as remote as it could get (the parking lot was about 50 yards from a corn field). My boss was also from New Jersey and was of the philosophy of "no criminal will ever hurt you as long as you give them what they want". It also seemed that intimidation was a regular "conversation skill" from my..... Uh, clients. Apparently complying with Texas state law and carding people for cigarettes or alcohol is good enough reason for threats of an "ass whoopin' ".

    So, yes. I see the merits of pocket carry, although I'm not well practiced in it.

    On the days I worked, I was very grateful to have a can of pepper spray on my side and that in my pocket, even if it was "just a .380" and I'm more of a big bore guy.
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
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    « Reply #35 on: December 10, 2015, 09:30:22 pm »
    Revolvers work in real life.  So do autoloaders  Will one work better than the other?  I don't really know but the evidence is pretty good that both are viable for self defense.  In my boringly ordinary life I don't see any clear advantage for one over the other so I went with the guns I most like to shoot.  In my collection that means  Security Six, Model 15 or 67, 686P and SP101.  :shrug
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    « Reply #36 on: December 10, 2015, 09:33:38 pm »
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    « Reply #37 on: December 12, 2015, 02:55:47 pm »
    One nice thing about Revos.  They don't scatter evidence brass everywhere. 
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    « Reply #38 on: December 12, 2015, 04:57:44 pm »
    One nice thing about Revos.  They don't scatter evidence brass everywhere. 
    Which is extremely useful in certain situations -  just not a civilian self-defense shoot.



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    « Reply #39 on: December 12, 2015, 05:27:56 pm »
    One nice thing about Revos.  They don't scatter evidence brass everywhere. 
    Yeah, until you have to reload halfway through the fight and end up shucking a cylinder full of empties across the crime scene..... :neener :rotfl
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    « Reply #40 on: December 12, 2015, 08:55:12 pm »
    Yeah, until you have to reload halfway through the fight and end up shucking a cylinder full of empties across the crime scene..... :neener :rotfl
    Keep your first cylinder full on a moon clip.  Makes policing your brass much easier.
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    « Reply #41 on: December 13, 2015, 08:12:34 pm »
    I carry a revolver most of the time, but the nearest town is 20 miles away and only has about 2100 people and is in the middle of nowhere, so threat level is low.  I carry either a model 19 2-1/2" or Bulldog DAO in .44 spa or a GP-100 3" with 3 or 4 reloads.  I like to carry in the jacket pocket, so If something does not feel right I can slid my hand into the pocket and if needed I can shot it from within the pocket.  You can do the same with an auto loader, but you may not be able to fire more than one round.  Every persons has to figure out what their threat level is and choose what works best for them, if I lived in "Big City" that had major gangs and/or possible terrorist target, I would add an auto loader and 4 or 5 reloads.  When I travel to ST Louis I carried the bulldog, a XD-9 and AR with 6 spare magazines for the XD and AR, plus 4 reloads for the bulldog, but I am paranoid.

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    « Reply #42 on: December 16, 2015, 09:35:36 am »
    My EDC gun is, and has been for 20ish years, a 357 SP101.  In those 20osh years, it has saved me trouble twice. -- Both incidents required merely my making the other party involved understand that I was, in fact, armed.  Neither case even required the gun to be drawn.

    As for why that particular gun-  It shoots to point of aim with full snort loads, fits my hands well(with the houge mono-grips). In well over 100,000 rounds has has only ONE mechanical issue.  Even that one issue didn't stop the gun and wouldn't have shut me down in a gunfight.  I carry one reload on a speedstrip.

    I thought VERY hard(again) about "upgrading" to a higher capacity semi-auto after France and California.  But didn't buy a new gun.  The multiple threat active shooters thing is about the only semi-plausible scenario that I would REALLY want a lot more capacity.  And even then, as noted by NC, if I'm solo, and do decide the situation is one that I choose to engage?  I'm much more likely to run out of time(get myself shot) before I run out of rounds.
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    Re: The Viability of Revolvers for EDC
    « Reply #43 on: January 09, 2016, 02:58:25 pm »
    My CM9 was stolen from my truck in May so a S&W 642 with Buffalo Bore low flash 158gr LSWCHP .38s has Ben in my pocket since...2 speed strips in my rear pocket with it, never feel unprepared....carries well and easy
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    Re: The Viability of Revolvers for EDC
    « Reply #44 on: January 09, 2016, 11:04:23 pm »
    in my opinion (which is worth every penny I charge :neener) a handgun is for getting you to safety or to a bigger gun (rifle/shotgun), a revolver can do that sufficiently.

    In the majority of instances, when bullets start to fly the problem goes away, a revolver doesn't change things.

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