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Street Robberies and You. An Interesting Threat Analysis
« on: February 05, 2012, 05:16:53 pm »
I found this linked on Pistol-Forum. It's a great read. I don't know anything about the OP's credentials other than what he posts.

Street Robberies and You

While many say it is better to be lucky than good, no one is lucky every time. In this post I am going to attempt to provide some insight into street encounters. Other may have different viewpoints. I am not here to argue. I will say some of the comments I have seen posted in the threads about this sort of matter make me realize that while some ARFCOMMERS are clearly street veterans others are not. This is really for those who are not.

Background

First, my info. I worked in the street of one of America's most violent, dangerous cities for 15 years. I usually worked in the worst part of that city. I spent 15 years in patrol. I liked patrol. It was wild. Most of the time I worked in areas covered in ghetto. By that I mean large housing projects combined with run down slum housing. I have worked all shifts. Later I became an investigator including a robbery investigator. I have spent countless hours in interrogation rooms talking to hold up men. I know them. I am still an investigator but have quit playing the Robbery game because my family was starting to forget what I looked like.

The Enemy

Some may object to me calling hold up men "the enemy". You can call them whatever you like. I can assure you however they are as deadly an enemy as you will find anywhere but the battlefield. Even many soldiers probably lack the viciousness and utter disregard for life most hold up men possess.





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    Re: Street Robberies and You. An Interesting Threat Analysis
    « Reply #1 on: February 05, 2012, 08:42:59 pm »
    That jives nearly exactly w/ the felons I supervise every day. I talk w/ them about these subjects. They are usually very candid and matter of fact about their chosen profession.....They talk about it as if they're discussing mundane everyday topics like the stock market or the weather.......These guys just aren't wired like the regular Joe.

    I loathe to make comparisons to fictional characters in print or film....but, there really are Waingros and Lamar Pyes out there and they are fairly common in most communites. 
    For example; Just in my state, there are roughly 39,000 convicts currently incarcerated and approx: 104,000 convicts on probation or post release supervision/parole.

    I might add that generally the robbery/assault BGs are like wild dogs, they rove in packs, usually 3-4 sometimes 2s, so expect that. 
    « Last Edit: February 05, 2012, 09:16:38 pm by strangelittleman »
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    « Reply #2 on: February 05, 2012, 08:53:43 pm »
    I am emailing that to all my loved ones who have CPL's...  Excellent post.
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    Re: Street Robberies and You. An Interesting Threat Analysis
    « Reply #3 on: February 05, 2012, 11:22:07 pm »
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    « Reply #4 on: February 05, 2012, 11:41:04 pm »
    Excellent.  This should probably be "stickied".  Thanks for the heads up, C.F. . 
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    « Reply #5 on: February 06, 2012, 02:27:29 am »
    That jives nearly exactly w/ the felons I supervise every day. I talk w/ them about these subjects. They are usually very candid and matter of fact about their chosen profession.....They talk about it as if they're discussing mundane everyday topics like the stock market or the weather.......These guys just aren't wired like the regular Joe.

    This.  It's their business and their way of life.  They're very matter of fact about it.  It's quite an eye opening experience when you have the opportunity to be exposed to that hardened criminal element. 

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    Re: Street Robberies and You. An Interesting Threat Analysis
    « Reply #6 on: February 06, 2012, 01:57:23 pm »
    Very informative read.

    I agree wholeheartedly with the author on situational awareness & threatening cues. They, IMO, are the key to coming out on top if you find yourself in a bad situation.

    Not sure If I've ever posted about this before, but I had what might have been an encounter with a street robber a few years ago. Mama Raptor, my Grandmother, and myself were in Philadelphia to watch my Little Brother perform Christmas Carols with his high school's marching bad in the Shops at Liberty Place in Center City. Once the performance ended, we left. LB was taking the bus back to school with the band, while Mama Raptor, Grandmother, and myself drove home. Only problem was parking was a mess, so Mama Raptor had dropped Grandmother and I at the mall whilst she parked the minivan about ten blocks away.

    Turns out she'd parked in... well, not necessarily a bad neighborhood, but not a real good one either. It was a few blocks down from 30th Street Station and right around the corner from some upscale apartment buildings and the PECO Building, but at the same time pretty close to some XXX Movie Theaters. Like I said, not the best place to park. And she'd parked the van under a bridge, too.

    Anyway, we get to about a block away from the van. I'm about ten feet behind Mama Raptor and Grandmother, who are talking amongst themselves, not really paying attention. I notice there's a guy walking up the sidewalk towards us. Now, he didn't look like your stereotypical gang-banger punk hold-up man: he was white, looked a bit older, no bling, not dressed like a hip-hop gangsta wannabe, etc. But he was acting really strange: he was looking at the buildings on the other side of the street, but being way to obvious about it: leaning way back to look all the way up to the top of the building, moving his whole body to look down the front of the building, repeating said motions for each structure. And while I wasn't sure, it looked like he was eying Mama Raptor and Grandmother out of the corner of his eye. He was heading right for them, too; not making any effort to move out of there way even though it was pretty obvious he saw them and they probably hadn't seen him.

    At that point, I was sure this guy was bad news, but all I had on me was my Swiss Army knife in my pants pocket, which I couldn't get to easily because I had a very heavy coat on and zipped up (it was below freezing), and even if I could, the guy was close enough that I wouldn't be able to get it out and opened before he'd jumped us. However, my coat had two very large pockets on the outside at about waist level, and I had a water bottle in the right-hand pocket. The pocket was big enough to totally conceal the bottle, but it was obvious that there was something in it.

    So what I did was look right at this guy and start walking quickly towards him and my relatives. About a second later, he noticed me, and I put my hand in my pocket and grabbed hold of the water bottle, but didn't pull it out. The guy's behavior changed immediately. He looked down at the sidewalk, put his hands down at his sides, and quickly walked around us, giving us plenty of room in the process. I didn't take my eyes off him or my hands off the bottle the whole time, nor did I stop praying, "God, please don't let this guy jump us." I kept a real stern look on my face, but inside I was scared s***less that he'd call my bluff. Fortunately, he didn't.

    I told Mama Raptor and Grandmother about it the second we got into the van and I'd locked the doors. They hadn't even noticed the guy was there and told me I spent too much time watching "James Bond shoots-'em-up movies." They were totally "condition white" the whole time.

    Was the guy really bad news? Looking back, I honestly don't know. But I'm eternally thankful I didn't have to find out for sure.
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    Re: Street Robberies and You. An Interesting Threat Analysis
    « Reply #7 on: February 06, 2012, 03:09:34 pm »
    I think you were right in that circumstance Raptor.
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    « Reply #8 on: February 06, 2012, 07:32:20 pm »
    I'd like to compliment this thread with this one.

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    « Reply #9 on: February 06, 2012, 10:23:31 pm »

    Survival is a binary situation.  You either live, or don't.  Anything that works is a win.  Now, some ways are better than others.

    I don't know if shooting someone at the drop of a hat is a good idea, because shooting someone even under 100% perfect "good shoot" circumstances gets expensive.  Nor would I draw as quickly as the author suggested. Paying attention to your surroundings is one of the best thing you can do. Avoiding a bad situation is also right on up there.

    I definitely agree with "don't look like an easy target".  I was in Philly with the family, just back from something or another and wearing my Class A's under the issue black trench coat. Walking down South St, I noticed some of the locals drinking and eying the tourists. I was under 21, so I was SOL when it came to carrying.  So, I put on my beret (removed the insignia), put my right arm at an angle to suggest something under the jacket, put a purposeful pissed off look on my face (but not directly glaring AT the locals), and started muttering random gibberish.  By the time my folks passed them, they were "whispering" to each other "Yo, that HAS to be one of 'em Russian assassins!"  They didn't even notice my family walking past.



     
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    « Reply #10 on: February 07, 2012, 03:38:48 am »
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    « Reply #11 on: February 07, 2012, 09:21:09 am »
    CF, I can only assume you're banging your head at the demonization of the police in that video.  It's been a while since I've watched it, and I'm not going to take the time to watch it again now, but I do believe I recall that it casts the police as "not my friend."

    While the police in certain locales are, in fact, my friends and even a family member, this is not the case everywhere I go.  It does seem prudent to mind what I say, no matter how righteous of a shooting just went down, just in case I bump into a bad apple with an agenda...or god forbid I should be confused following such a traumatic experience, and say something other than what I actually mean.  I assume you guys are taught to be just as wary following an officer involved shooting.

    With that in mind, I pose the following question to the LEO's following this thread. 

    Would you feel terribly put out if, when responding to a shooting where I the good-guy used lethal force against a bad-guy, I gave you a statement along the following lines-  "Officers, I was in fear for my life and felt I had no choice but to defend myself.  I mean no disrespect, and fully intend to cooperate, but given the gravity of the situation, I feel it would be prudent that I wait for my attorney before making further statements." ?? 

    Thanks for the input.
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    « Reply #12 on: February 07, 2012, 09:44:37 am »
    The article C.F. originally linked to made exactly that suggestion.  :coffee

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    « Reply #13 on: February 07, 2012, 09:50:00 am »
    LSN,  it wouldn't bother me in the slightest. As a first responder it makes my supplement shorter. I've watched the video myself several times. I think it's been posted here before.  There is a lengthy thread that is great reading on this at Pistol Forum.  But it's a separate topic hence   :banghead. I was tired last night the smilie filled in for me.

    I started the thread for discussion about violent, predatory criminals after reading the OPs post which focuses on armed robbers.  There is a ton of knowledge/experience on this site.  I really like hearing anecdotes from other people about using situational awareness and defusing or avoiding incidents before deadly force is needed or incidents where guys were caught off guard as cautionary tales.

    Raptors and RevDisks stories about improvising when not armed but bluffing the snot out of people are awesome.  :clap
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    « Reply #14 on: February 07, 2012, 09:51:54 am »
    The article C.F. originally linked to made exactly that suggestion.  :coffee

    Yeah, but I'm not thinking about legal advice so much.  I'm more interested in the police officer's emotional reaction.  CF put up a head-bangy icon after the "Don't talk to the police" video.   

    Does a statement like the one outlined cause you guys to bang your head on the steering wheel in your car thinking "If this guy would just talk I could finish the report and go home.  Why is this guy making my life difficult?! This guy's hesitance to talk makes me suspicious!"

    Or are you more likely to think "Yeah, this is a serious situation, and that's a smart course of action. Because you were polite and respectful, I don't mind waiting until your attorney gets here."
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    « Reply #15 on: February 07, 2012, 09:53:05 am »
    That makes sense.  Thanks for the input, CF.
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    « Reply #16 on: February 07, 2012, 11:14:05 am »
    The bang head was a reaction to a sure thread drift the video brings.  That aspect is important too but it's not what I was focusing on.
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    « Reply #17 on: February 07, 2012, 01:47:52 pm »
    In the spirit of bringing us back on topic, I'll share an experience that I feel is relevant.  It happened little over a year ago.

    I was out of town on a work-related trip with several coworkers.  After a long, busy day, four of us decided we needed a late night snack, so we piled in my car and headed off to the nearest Taco Bell.  It was probably around 11:30 p.m., in not the greatest part of a dingy industrial town that none of us were too terribly familiar with.  In hindsight, that was mistake #1. 

    By force of habit, when eating at a seat-yourself establishment, I tend to try to situate myself at the front of my group so that I can choose a seating arrangement that I feel is tactically advantageous... you know, facing the door, etc.  So keeping with my custom, I order first, and sprint off to choose my seat, and I make mistake #2.  I find a "great" seat smack in the middle of the restaurant.  Now, by my train of logic it was a great seat.  It was a swivel chair, and not a booth, so I could access my gun easily.  I was on the right end of the table, so my gun arm would be free.  Most importantly, I had a) a great view of the door, b) a clear shooting-lane towards the door, and c) a clear isle to the door, and d) my buddy who also carries would be sitting right across from me with an equally advantageous view of the back door, and so he could watch my back, or so I thought. 

    Now, the reasoning behind my selection of a defensive position was the outgrowth of a fallacy in my picture of what a "hold-up" would look like.  I imagined that I would be defending against a hollywood, old-west style stickup where bandits burst into the open door with masks on their faces and guns drawn, shouting "This is a stick-up! Everybody on the floor!"  You see, I had no intention of getting on the floor and putting myself at their mercy, so my position was chosen accordingly.  I figured, with my clear view of the large glass double-door, I could see threats approaching.  With my clear shooting-lane towards the door, I could engage threats freely as they bottle-necked in the doorway.  With my clear isle towards the door, I would make a ferocious and aggressive move towards the exit, and would unleash a rain of lead onto anybody who thought about trying to stop me. And of course, I didn't need to be against a wall because my armed buddy was watching my back, as I watched his.

    Of course, as the article in the OP points out, most of these badguys don't burst into the room with ski masks on their faces waving Hi-Points in the air like in all the heist movies.  The master criminal is an ambush predator.  He slinks, shimmies, and oozes his way into your personal space before he pounces.  And that reflects the lead-up to my experience  (which ends peacefully, without an altercation).

    We were sitting there eating, while I diligently watched the door protecting my group from the James-Younger gang or some such nonsense.  As I'm watching, a group of four very ghetto banger types walks up to the door.  My buddy sees something change in my eyes as I watch them, so he turns around and watches with me.  They approach together, stop a moment and converse outside the door, and then they come in...that's when things get downright creepy.

    One guy heads straight for the front counter, and stands there like he's going to order, placing him about ten feet directly behind my chair.  One guy sits at a table about ten feet behind my buddy, right between us and the door.  Of the other two, one peels off to my right and finds a seat on the right wall, and the other veers left and finds a seat over there.

    I had made a grave tactical error in choosing my seat...I was surrounded.  Instantly my brain flashed back to an article I'd read by Paul Howe about moving to "Points of Domination" when entering a hostile room...move down the walls and to the corners, and control the room.  I had been too stupid to remember this lesson, but these street types understood it intuitively.  This terrified me.

    I looked in my buddy's eyes to see if he had noticed their choice of seating arrangement.  Was I overreacting?  Was I imagining things?  The look on his face told me that he shared my concern.  Our other two friends were ignorantly munching tacos in condition white.  I, on the other hand, was in red, teetering on black.  I noticed the guy behind my buddy staring at me, and it put me over the edge. I physically began shaking.  These guys hadn't said a word or even made an overt threatening gesture, but I'm not sure I'd ever been so scared in my life.  A 5 shot snubnose .38 suddenly didn't feel so empowering when confronted with a 360 degree quadruple threat environment.  The worst part was that they had the initiative.  I knew they were not behaving normally, but I could hardly draw on a guy for picking a booth i didn't approve of. 

    So I did all I could.  I finished my taco.  It was my second of three.  I was afraid abandoning my meal mid-taco would indicate my fear, and possibly trigger a reaction, so I just ate it, all the while looking back at the guy behind my buddy to make sure he knew I saw him.  I did not, however, stick around for the third taco.  As soon as I'd swallowed my last bite of number 2, I threw the third taco in the sack, me and my situationally aware buddy stood up, practically grabbed our other two oblivious, idiot companions up by the ears, and we marched out the door.  Those were perhaps the 10 most frightening steps of my life, as I had to pass between two of the bangers, with as little as three feet clearance to the near one.  They watched us on the way out, and while my hand was not directly on the butt of my still concealed revolver, it was hanging in the "ready to draw position" an inch from my hip, like the cowboys do in the movies while the clock ticks down the last seconds to the showdown.  I don't know if they noticed it, or if they interpreted it as "weapon", but I like to think they did.  We drove straight home, and I poured myself a stiff drink.

    I don't know if those guys were actually up to no good, or if they just like sitting in weird chairs and messing with the out-of-towners...regardless, I've taken a few lessons from the experience, and I also think the situation had relevance to the original article.

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    1) Getting surrounded sucks...so don't sit in the middle of the room. Duh...idiot mistake.  2) Small guns are fine, but bigger guns are better.  3)Don't go out late at night in bad parts of unfamiliar towns.  4) It's good to have a buddy with a gun.


    Regarding the Article
    1) My biggest beef is with how early the author wants us to draw.  Actually, it's not really a beef.  In the circumstances he described, it may be a great idea.  Bad guys don't want to call the cops.  Suspicious miscreants don't want to call the cops, even if it turns out they meant you no harm.

    Here's the thing though... every encounter does not necessarily happen in a dark parking lot where the only people who know what happened are you and the badguy.  I would've loved to have slowly backed out of the restaurant, pistol in hand while I kept a close eye on my new acquaintances.  The employees of Taco Bell, and Taco Bell's CCTV system, on the other hand, would probably have been very upset if I'd unholstered my weapon just to get up and walk to my car. 

    2) Bad guys are sneaky, and deliberately ambiguous.  We like to imagine how we would respond against known threats; a lot of the time, however, the biggest challenge will be figuring out if the threat is even real.  It is by design that they don't want us to know what is going on until it is too late.

    *Edit-I'm working on zero hours of sleep right now, so sorry if it's too rambly, or even if there's any non-sensible sentences in there... I really cant tell at this point.
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    « Reply #18 on: February 07, 2012, 02:09:48 pm »
    LSN I just watched a take down style robbery of a fast food restaurant on YouTube with four bandits who waited for closing to hit. All masked up with comms to the driver outside. I'll post a link if I can refind it. Sounds like something was up there.


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    « Reply #19 on: February 08, 2012, 10:21:47 pm »
    CF, I can only assume you're banging your head at the demonization of the police in that video.  It's been a while since I've watched it, and I'm not going to take the time to watch it again now, but I do believe I recall that it casts the police as "not my friend."

    It's not about the demonization of police. I was, perhaps poorly, trying to point out that legal considerations are just as important as tactical decisions. Living is the highest priority. But living outside of a jail cell ranks high up the chart as well.

    I have more than a few buddies that I consider to be very good cops. Problem is, I am aware that in any profession, the overwhelming majority are neither good nor bad. The overwhelming majority are decent enough folks, that are more good than bad, doing their job. There's always some bad apples, unfortunately, in ANY group on the planet.

    Keep in mind, there are prosecutors, DA's and/or judges that is not so friendly. Even if you make comments to a sympathetic and good cop, you can be hung by a politically motivated prosecutor. This DOES happen. Here in my neck of the woods, I would not be hesitant to be fairly open with the locals. In Philly? Ah...  Perhaps best to do all speaking through your lawyer. Has nothing to do with the cops. It depends on the prosecutor, but I am personally familiar with a few Philly prosecutors that I would not term as individuals that respect any form of self-defense.

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    Any idiot can generalize any group of individuals. They will be wrong. All cops are not demons, nor angels. People are people.  Nothing more, nothing less.


    LSN,  it wouldn't bother me in the slightest. As a first responder it makes my supplement shorter. I've watched the video myself several times. I think it's been posted here before.  There is a lengthy thread that is great reading on this at Pistol Forum.  But it's a separate topic hence   :banghead. I was tired last night the smilie filled in for me.

    I started the thread for discussion about violent, predatory criminals after reading the OPs post which focuses on armed robbers.  There is a ton of knowledge/experience on this site.  I really like hearing anecdotes from other people about using situational awareness and defusing or avoiding incidents before deadly force is needed or incidents where guys were caught off guard as cautionary tales.

    Raptors and RevDisks stories about improvising when not armed but bluffing the snot out of people are awesome.  :clap

    I'm more than willing to start another thread on the subject, but my point is that I very much agree with the assessments of violent, predatory criminals. It is very useful background information that I honestly found interesting. While I've dealt with war criminals and such, ordinary run of the mill criminal scumbags are not my area of expertise. Not to a point that I could make meaningful statistical analysis.

    I however ah, urge moderation or at least additional thought on proper response by Joe Average CCW Holder.  I don't worry about cops making my life problematic.  Lawyers, on the other hand... Yes, that also varies depending on where you live. This may sound unrelated, but I assure you, is not. Carefully look at the laws and personality of the local legal system prior to moving to a place. Some places will all but hand you a medal for killing a scumbag that tries to kill you. Others WILL treat you worse than the criminal. Yea, NY, CA, etc are obvious. But some are not. Knowing the legal climate/personality/whatever can, will and should shape the envelope in which you operate.  Drawing on a scumbag in X may be more or less fine even if it is not technically kosher with the wording of the laws. Drawing on a scumbag in Y may get your CCW revoked if caught.

    I'd also point out, avoiding any situation without violence is the best way of winning a fight.  By making sure it never happens. Nice if you can move things in that direction, but not always possible. One should never bluff without being willing to back it up to the best of one's abilities. There are knuckleheads on the planet that will automatically respond to a challenge. Rare, but they exist. One should keep that in mind when selecting tactics.

    My apologies, and my bad, if anyone thought I was drifting the thread in a direction other than atypical tactical considerations. 
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    Re: Street Robberies and You. An Interesting Threat Analysis
    « Reply #20 on: February 09, 2012, 03:28:48 pm »
    Yeah, I've got no issue with the video, I was just trying to guess why CF was pounding his head on the wall, and I guessed wrong.
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    Re: Street Robberies and You. An Interesting Threat Analysis
    « Reply #21 on: March 01, 2012, 12:21:52 am »
    Street robbery?  I was informed of this one yesterday-

    Co-worker(trainee) of mine who was:
    A. Unarmed
    B.  In condition white
    C.  Obviously drunk.
    D.  Walking in an unfamiliar part of the city late at night.
    E:  Dressed in expensive clothes
    A+B+C+D+E=TARGET :facepalm

    Miscreant told him-  "Give me 5 bucks so I can buy some weed, or I'll stab you."  And made a movement like he had something tucked in behind his kidney.  So he threw the guy a $5 bill, turned, and ran.

    So in the last 48 hours- There have been some long conversations about things such as the OODA loop, situational awareness, color codes, and the 21 foot rule for starters.  He has also been handed a stack of books to read.  There will be more conversations.  More books.  And- Range trips.

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    Re: Street Robberies and You. An Interesting Threat Analysis
    « Reply #22 on: March 01, 2012, 01:01:40 am »
    Heh.  Reminds me of an incident from many years ago:

    Get into work one morning.  Buddy is at his desk and he looks aweful.  Aweful.  Black eye, split lip, bruises, etc...  Still stinks of booze.

    Me:  "What happened to you?"

    Him:  "I got mugged."

    Me:  "What?  Where?"

    Him:  "Chinatown.  I got mugged by a gang of asian dudes."

    Me:  "Holy s___!  Like, in broad daylight?"

    Him:  "No.  It was like one or two AM."

    Me (frowning):  "What the fluff were you doing in Chinatown at two AM?"

    Him:  "Looking for hookers."

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    Re: Street Robberies and You. An Interesting Threat Analysis
    « Reply #23 on: March 03, 2012, 07:48:36 pm »
    Awesome read, CF97

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