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fiacha5

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Stratagy and Tactics ..
« on: October 22, 2008, 11:14:49 pm »
Salutations;

   The first problem, most of the folks here that will read this dont need it.
   The second problem is you put three gun owners in a room youll get five opinions =)
   The third problem is were to start...

    Lots of good stories and quotes out there for being ready and the mental process on planning and the doing... 
   
    I grew up with a father whos a New Yorker and a mom whos a country girl, I was shooting at three, have pictures to prove it, was showing my little borther how to shoot when he was three and I was seven... and no we werent using 45s , started out with BB guns and a small 22s. I spent a few years in the army wearing funny clothes and meeting interesting people that taught me a few things, nothing fancy. Did a number of years doing physical security in the center of a big city, no gun just an understanding of the rules, a smile, and a willingness to dance when it needed to happen. ( As an example was assaulted 32 times over 3 years, they all went to jail, I never got hurt)  Been working and training in a friends dojo/ranch working with a cross section of society from hardcore criminals trying to go straight, to fuzzy bunny types that were learning how the world works. 

Step one logistics, have a plan for what you can have , where your going and what you might be doing, a formal dinner I ll pack a small 38 in a pants pocket, if going to a football game a lockblade or utility tool goes on the belt, depends on the park/field and their rules. When in Vegas I carried a leather pouch with a bunch of change in it, made more than one security guy grin but wasnt breaking any laws. I encourage my lady friends to have good combs and a selection of fans for the fancy dinners, a small pistol when one can be carried.  For the car a small rifle or carbine or large pistol that fits under the seat, again depending on rules and regulations at work and where a person is.  Many places a tire iron next to the seat in that small gap next to the door is not a bad idea, ) but practice getting it out) ( as is a small bottle of ammonia/ rainex for your windshield) if your not the kind to carry pepper spray( dont care for it personally, when hit with it , in training just makes me mad )

Step Two is training.  Find friends, get training, train your friends , train to do things, there are as many suggestions and examples of how to do this as there are people on the site, what I would like to add is the -  what if game.  Ask yourself what would you do if x-y-z happens, practice what you might do, look for exits, know where the fire extinguishers are< pretend your a spy in a bad adventure movie, play pick out the packer ( whos got guns etc..)  Then play the game with your friends get em to play, hopefully they wont think your a tin foil hat type but it can be a way to make a slow dinner fun. Learn the local laws, rules and attitudes, whats ok to defend yourself against in one city will it get you arrested in another. Learn the law and keep asking !!!!! the sherriff might give you one answer and the state a different one.    ( Example was finding out if a reservation recognized a concealed weapons permit from the state, turned out on paper they didnt but in practice they did. One of those palce you dont show it unless your pulling the trigger)  OODA of course...

Step three.  Mind set yes I put this after training, have worked with and trained enough people to know that folks have to know what your asking them before they can really answer the question.What will you do? Decide now you wont have time later..

Step four : Is do, carry when you can, be ready when you can be aware of your situation, a good friend from california swore nothing ever happened around them, we went out to dinner in their hood and I pointed out drug deals, and called the cops on an assault, things happened in his "bad " neighborhood all the time, he just had world blinders on.  Dont be stupid and look for trouble but stand up for what is effecting you, dont be afraid to get into things but be aware of the costs ... from putting your life at risk to hours and days off of work while you sit in court, to jail time if the law doesnt see it your way.  So pick your battles, but be willing to fight. I wont stop a guy beating his wife for hitting her, but for doing it in front off me... sounds cold hearted but the cops out there will understand the attitude. Call 911 till the cows come home, if its an issue doesnt matter if the cops dont show but your covering your butt if you have time, and building a background if your life becomes threatened.

Step Five, after action : Talk about things, keep your friends close, understand future legal issues, be ready for them, talk to your friends, try and find people that have been there done that .. talk... yes I have said it many times, making the choices befroe anything happens will be one of the greatest things in dealing with the after effects but talking ot those who understand and are around you is very, very important, you will be able to tell different folks different things, while I dont agree with the egg heads that think all us neaderthals that are willing to do violence to protect what is ours need counseling and drugs, what I do believe is tradition and ritual (religion and otherwise) are important for good mental health,  Yes that might mean dancing around with a big grin going.. did you see the splatter on that head shot ... dont do it on camera or in front of the cops, do it with people that understand.

go back to the beginning and repeat....

Thanks for your time and letting me share, good luck out there.

Story -   Nine friends are sitting around a table at a greasy five and dime in an interesting part off town, simply driving through from an event headed home, its late in the day, its your normal crowd of guys and girls waiting for our burgers and eggs , when a scraggy, skinny, not very clean man walks up and pulls out a knife, while asking the table for change... he is far enough away that he isnt a real threat( yes I know 21 feet) but it can be said that many people would be scared of the knife and the dirty young fellow, but in the time it took you to read this. Seven pistols, that I am sure when the young man looked down on them had the barrel openings of train tunnels, appeared on top of the table, pointed in his general direction.
  The friends where looking at each other, as polite friends do. "You going to shoot him? " . "I dont know do you want to shoot him". " do I need to shoot him?" "Whos going ot shoot him" , "Are we all going to shoot him?" No words were said, this was just friends trying to figure out what to do after responding to a situation. The young fellow then stated "I guess  I  got the wrong table?" as he folded the knife up and put it back in his pocket and walked away at a fast rate with a slightly stinky smell following him.  The seven who where packing then turned to the two that werent ......

Of course this story never happened and is made up for the entertainment of those reading , never happened no sir, nope all made up, honest =)

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    Re: Stratagy and Tactics ..
    « Reply #1 on: October 27, 2008, 08:41:05 pm »
    I made it through the whole thing.
    What got me was the 'story' at the end. Why would you put that in there? It seems to serve no constructive purpose, I really don't see how you could get a strategy out of that. Any chance you could explain a little more about that? Thanks.
    If I saw a guy with a 60cu/ft safe filled to the brim with nothing but Jennings, Lorcins and Hi-Points, I'd look at the guy and say "Right on brother".
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    Re: Stratagy and Tactics ..
    « Reply #2 on: November 01, 2008, 04:55:45 pm »
    The story illustrated mindset, training, preparedness and awareness skills, as well as effective decision making in the response <VBG>.

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    Re: Stratagy and Tactics ..
    « Reply #3 on: November 07, 2008, 02:28:49 am »
    Hummm, packing in Vegas?   Must have been post Lamb brothers
    days.  They would not honor carry from the adjoining county by
    LEOs concealed.   They issued a card to allow a particular hand
    gun to come in, but not to carry concealed.   Also be very careful
    on reservation lands, as only tribal law counts.  In this state without
    permission from the chief/tribal police it's a no go.   Pretty sure the
    same everywhere.   Even when providing Military Honors at a reser-
    vation cemetary, permission to enter with M-1s with attached blank
    devices, needed the chief's approval.   Very good article.   Excellent :)
    Mind set and zones are probably as important as the weapon itself.
    Your story does have a point to me.   A table full of CCW people with
    the same mind set = not one shot needed to be fired.   No explaination
    as to why your story is the only version to be told and being held up
    long time in some police station while they sort through the facts.  No
    civil suit once the law turns you loose.   A serious affair that ends in a
    flair of humor ;D   I liked it start to finish!   The bad guy lives for another
    day, and adds to the global warming from a full set of filled britches.

    fiacha5

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    Re: Stratagy and Tactics ..
    « Reply #4 on: November 20, 2008, 05:51:51 am »
    Hey Ridata

       Different people learn different ways, so a little story telling might make you wonder why its there, it might hep someone else get teh picture, besides its always fun to share those stories...

    Thank you for reading it _=)

      Thanks oohrah and Greyone , its appreciated

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    Re: Stratagy and Tactics ..
    « Reply #5 on: November 22, 2008, 09:38:42 pm »
    Good post! No explanation of story necessary.

    Stay safe.
    Bob
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    Re: Stratagy and Tactics ..
    « Reply #6 on: November 23, 2008, 12:38:35 pm »
    I got it and agree.
     Been there done that.
    Virginia

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