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Serial Numbers?
« on: February 01, 2011, 10:38:42 pm »
Do any of you keep a list of serial numbers off sight or online?

I was thinking in case of theft, or especially fire, it would be handy to either put a list online like google docs or any of the myriad of other storage options, or keep a list off sight, i.e buddy or family members house?
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    « Reply #1 on: February 01, 2011, 10:44:14 pm »
    ah yeah...if you don't have the serials and they get stolen guess what happens first time they show up at a crime scene and the feds run 'em....

    plus if you ever have a fire or whatever its good to have the info for insurance...assuming you have a firearms rider on your policy
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    « Reply #2 on: February 01, 2011, 11:03:40 pm »
    I wasnt aware that I had to have an addition rider? Can you clarify? We bought ot first house in April so we are still a bit we behind the ears in home ownership.
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    « Reply #3 on: February 01, 2011, 11:12:20 pm »
    I wasnt aware that I had to have an addition rider? Can you clarify? We bought ot first house in April so we are still a bit we behind the ears in home ownership.
    separate copies of all bill of sales in the bank safety deposit box and I video (with zoom in on serial numbers) everything of value in the house when it comes in
    That's on a CD and also in the bank safety deposit
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    « Reply #4 on: February 01, 2011, 11:36:48 pm »
    digital pictures and copies of everything important, including social security cards, birth certificates, immunization shot records, mortgages, loans, credit card numbers, account numbers,  anything that might be on your ICE list, including site addresses, log in names and passwords for anything of value. Talk to your insurance agent.  Make sure he/she is friendly and open to what you have and need to cover.   (There are reasons I stay with Farm Bureau, even though it costs a bit more)
    make sure Contents are covered for replacement at market value, not some arbitrary limits, such as $100.00 per gun or other nonsense,  make sure your deductible is not to jacked up high.
    The cost of the coverage is actually minimal compared to not being able to replace things.

    Safe deposit box at a bank,  use the cloud (dropbox comes to mind),  keep a copy at a family members house.  sealed in an envelope, and update it yearly as things get added to or change.




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    « Reply #5 on: February 01, 2011, 11:42:18 pm »
    My rider is for $10K and costs about $3 additional per month on my renters' insurance policy.  I have a spreadsheet, with copies on my laptop, a couple SD micro cards that live in various locations, a USB drive in my safe deposit box, and a copy on Google docs.  Paranoia only requires you to be right once.
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    « Reply #6 on: February 01, 2011, 11:43:14 pm »
    I wasnt aware that I had to have an addition rider? Can you clarify? We bought ot first house in April so we are still a bit we behind the ears in home ownership.

    you usually have to have an additional rider if you have 'unusual valuables'  Your standard policy is designed to replace your furniture, electronics, houseware, clothing, etc. It usually has a small window for 'other'  however you need riders if you have more than $5000 for 'other' (maybe 2000 depending on your specific insurance) and they are going to want to know ahead of time a ballpark of what you have, but you don't have to go into much detail at the time of the policy (but it is good to have detail later)  Something like 'I'd like a $20,000 rider to cover grandma's jewelry' or 'I'll need $10,000 additional to cover 4 paintings I have, I bought them each for $1000-2000 but that was 10 years ago'

    It is smart to have riders if you have
    -jewelry
    -guns
    -extensive tools
    -motorcycles/snowmobiles
    -artwork

    and any (or all) of these add up to more than a few thousand.

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    « Reply #7 on: February 03, 2011, 01:37:44 am »
    It really pays to sit down with your agent and go through in detail what is covered by your homeowners insurance and what is not.  Find out if you're covered for replacement value.  On my "stock" Farm and Ranch policy firearms are only covered up to 500 dollars.  If you have a decent assortment of tools you might discover that you're only covered up to 500-1000 on tools.  Add up the replacement cost of quality tools in your average tool chest and you're probably gonna go past 1000 in the first drawer or two.

    It's not exactly on topic but if you tow a trailer or have a pickup you're also well advised to sit down with your agent.  Weird insurance rules come into play once your trailer detaches from your vehicle or soemthing you're carrying in your truck bed falls out.

    As for serial numbers I keep a electronic and hard copies in a media firesafe and at two other offsite locations.  Same with all household goods and critical papers.

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    « Reply #8 on: February 03, 2011, 09:21:07 am »
    I'll second the insurance policy/riders on high value items.  I lost my wedding ring rafting down the Colorado river.  I was dumb enough to not take it off before hand.  Had to file a claim and within 3 days, I had a check for $4300 for replacement value.

    I like Chubb for insuring high-value items.  No questions asked.  Provide a description of the item for the policy and then when you need to file a claim, call them and tell them the details.   In my instance, there was no police report.  But you tell them what you want to insure the article for.  If you want to insure for $500, they'll quote you a price for $500.  If you want to insure for $2000 but the article is only $500, they'll quote you a price for $2000.

    As for firearms, I store Serials, pictures, etc using Dropbox.
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    « Reply #9 on: February 03, 2011, 01:23:46 pm »
    Do any of you keep a list of serial numbers off sight or online?

    I was thinking in case of theft, or especially fire, it would be handy to either put a list online like google docs or any of the myriad of other storage options, or keep a list off sight, i.e buddy or family members house?

    Absolutely.  I use Google Docs.

    It was in fact this exact practice that ultimately resulted in the return of a stolen pistol.

    ...

    As for insurance, if my insurance company is to be believed, my standard policy will cover my firearms up to a standard limit ($5000 on mine, YMMV).  I was led to believe that while the limit may vary some, coverage under that limit without a rider is pretty SOP with reputable insurance companies.

    The problem comes in with the fact that I own about 6 times worth my limit in firearms.  So o rider is a no-go.

    So call up and check what the limit is, then do the math.  If you only have one or two non-custom guns, getting a rider might just be a waste of money.


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    « Reply #10 on: February 03, 2011, 01:44:06 pm »
    I wasnt aware that I had to have an addition rider? Can you clarify? We bought ot first house in April so we are still a bit we behind the ears in home ownership.

    Never mind, already answered. My standard limit was $2500. That *might* replace my working rifle.
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    « Reply #11 on: February 03, 2011, 01:50:28 pm »
    Absolutely.  I use Google Docs.

    It was in fact this exact practice that ultimately resulted in the return of a stolen pistol.

    ...

    As for insurance, if my insurance company is to be believed, my standard policy will cover my firearms up to a standard limit ($5000 on mine, YMMV).  I was led to believe that while the limit may vary some, coverage under that limit without a rider is pretty SOP with reputable insurance companies.

    The problem comes in with the fact that I own about 6 times worth my limit in firearms.  So o rider is a no-go.

    So call up and check what the limit is, then do the math.  If you only have one or two non-custom guns, getting a rider might just be a waste of money.


    This is sound advice.  I have Travelers Home Owners Insurance and my policy provides for 10k.  I don't have more than 10k in Firearms so for now thats plenty. 
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    « Reply #12 on: February 03, 2011, 04:49:40 pm »
    Firearms (at least with my homeowner's insurance) require a specific firearms policy. It was over $2K a year for replacement value.
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    « Reply #13 on: February 03, 2011, 08:01:33 pm »
    http://www.theplacewithnoname.com/blogs/klessons/p/0006.html

    This is the place where I first learned of "TrueCrypt" which might be a piece of the puzzle for you, when it comes to securely keeping your information available yet private.  Have the CD with photos & movies of belongings, data files with all the details, scans of important documents etc.  But use TrueCrypt to encrypt it (password and/or encryption keys are supported) so that if the CD got lost or stolen, no one else would be able to access it.  I have a CD / DVD like this that I make about once or twice a year as things get updated, and I put the TrueCrypt exe file on the CD with the data.  Allegedly it might be strong enough encryption stuff that even the .gov couldn't get into it.  I don't know if that's true or if it matters, but I figure that this TrueCrypt is almost certainly strong enough encyrption so that an ordinary thief who got his hands on it couldn't get all my info.

    Best part?  True Crypt is an open source, free download.

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    « Reply #14 on: February 03, 2011, 08:04:49 pm »
    Firearms (at least with my homeowner's insurance) require a specific firearms policy. It was over $2K a year for replacement value.

    Maybe shop around for a new carrier bro.  That doesn't sound like the best deal in the world.


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    « Reply #15 on: February 07, 2011, 07:41:40 pm »
    Maybe shop around for a new carrier bro.  That doesn't sound like the best deal in the world.


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    Yeah.  That's WAY high, at least from what I've seen.
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