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Re: Open Carry of a pocket pistol?
« Reply #25 on: September 20, 2016, 10:40:45 am »
I stumbled across this today in my FB feed. Greg Ellfritz is a cop and trainer somewhere up north I think.  Usually has some really good articles.

http://www.activeresponsetraining.net/friends-dont-let-friends-open-carry


Today’s announcement about Starbucks prohibiting guns in their stores is likely to re-ignite the idiotic debate about open carry.  Starbucks tried to remain neutral on the issue of carrying guns on their premises, but then started hearing from unhappy customers when a bunch of open carry advocates started showing up at their stores with slung long guns and pistols on their hips.  Those morons turned an ally into an enemy.

It’s no secret that I’m not a fan of open carry (carrying an unconcealed handgun in public).  Even where legal, I generally think it’s a poor decision.  Too many bad things can happen.  My friend Spencer Keepers said it best: “I support the right, not the practice.”  I agree with him.

 

 

This story should be a cautionary tale to those who think open carry is a good idea…


Man Legally Carrying Gun Robbed at Gunpoint
 

Last year an open carry advocate was robbed of his gun by a criminal who wasn’t deterred by the fact that he was carrying.  This isn’t the only case where something similar has happened.

The open carry advocates insist that crimes like this cannot happen. They are wrong. Open carry likely does deter some criminal activity, but not every criminal will be scared of your big gun.

Having spent a significant part of my life dealing with criminals, I will tell you that they can read body language very well. They know who will use the gun and who won’t. Most have had guns pointed at them their entire lives. Many have already been shot multiple times. It isn’t their first rodeo…and they aren’t scared of you just because that gun on your hip makes you feel like a bad ass.

If I were going to commit a crime, open carry wouldn’t deter me in the least. I’d just take the open carrier out first. Trust me, there are criminals who think the same way I do.   Did you see what happened earlier this week in Washington D.C.?  A killer armed with a shotgun killed at least one security guard in the Naval Yard in order to take his (open carried) handgun.

What you don’t understand is that some criminals see that open gun on your hip as a challenge, not as a threat. It’s a badge of honor for them to bring a gun home to their hood rat buddies and tell them about how you s___ your pants when you felt the knife cutting your throat.

Every year dozens of cops (who have training, backup, and retention holsters) get their guns taken by criminals. But you don’t think a criminal can take the Glock out of your s___ty open carry Fobus holster? A wake up call is in order….



Support the right, but not the practice  :hmm. I like that  :thumbup1.

Hey Sarge, I've heard that about 1 out of every 5 cops has their gun taken/ attempted taken/ or even shot by their own gun, you're a LEO so would you happen to know the statistics on this?
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Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

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    Re: Open Carry of a pocket pistol?
    « Reply #26 on: September 20, 2016, 01:32:33 pm »
    and it's possible that is actually the only pistol he has...


    This. Or the one he shoots best, or the only reliable one, or the one for which he has a holster, or spare magazines. There could be a lot of reasons he chooses to carry that particular one. As for why he carried in a particular way that day; who knows?

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    « Reply #27 on: September 20, 2016, 08:39:44 pm »
    ah geez,  is this gunkid back again ?
    Well, I do have my tactical wheelbarrow ready to go in case the balloon ever goes up...I kid. :D
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    « Reply #28 on: September 20, 2016, 08:49:05 pm »
    Support the right, but not the practice  :hmm. I like that  :thumbup1.

    Hey Sarge, I've heard that about 1 out of every 5 cops has their gun taken/ attempted taken/ or even shot by their own gun, you're a LEO so would you happen to know the statistics on this?

    No, sorry, I sure don't know the stats but it is a major concern of mine and several of my fellow officers. It's increasing even here in my area. We've had three attempts in the past year on officers at my agency. We have level 2 and level 3 holsters depending on officer preference and they definitely made the difference by preventing the takeaway long enough for the officer to react.
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    « Reply #29 on: September 20, 2016, 09:10:57 pm »
    Well, I do have my tactical wheelbarrow ready to go in case the balloon ever goes up...I kid. :D
    You're cool.  Just be sensitive to the culture here, and try to have fun. :thumbup1

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    « Reply #30 on: September 20, 2016, 09:19:53 pm »
    You're cool.  Just be sensitive to the culture here, and try to have fun. :thumbup1

    Now I've seen it all. I never would have thought I'd see you advocate sensitivity, Kaso  :neener :neener :neener.

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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

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    Re: Open Carry of a pocket pistol?
    « Reply #31 on: September 20, 2016, 09:27:50 pm »
    Being sensitive to the culture around you is nothing unreasonable.  Just as you would not eat a pork chop in a synagogue, a polite gun board demands a certain type of post...

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    « Reply #32 on: September 20, 2016, 09:47:00 pm »
    Being sensitive to the culture around you is nothing unreasonable.  Just as you would not eat a pork chop in a synagogue, a polite gun board demands a certain type of post...

    I'm just teasing, friend  :cool. I'd say as far as gun forums go, we are one of the more laid back and civil one's out of what the interwebz has to offer.
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

    Paradoxically it is those who strive for self-reliance, who remain vigilant and ready to help others.

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    « Reply #33 on: September 20, 2016, 09:55:38 pm »
    I'm just teasing, friend  :cool. I'd say as far as gun forums go, we are one of the more laid back and civil one's out of what the interwebz has to offer.
    Which is why I insist upon reasonable slack for new guys.  Most every other gun board requires a more aggressive style of posting - we do not.  It takes a while for some to switch over.  But like I said... Wild Dog really hasn't even done anything out of order.

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    « Reply #34 on: September 21, 2016, 10:03:49 am »
    ok, ok,  so I'm being the grumpy old fart.  again.   Mea Culpa.


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    « Reply #35 on: September 21, 2016, 10:30:48 am »
    I thought the exact same thing, you just said it before I did.
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    « Reply #36 on: September 21, 2016, 06:40:55 pm »
    I'm just teasing, friend  :cool. I'd say as far as gun forums go, we are one of the more laid back and civil one's out of what the interwebz has to offer.
    Thanks, laid back is what I'm looking for.  I work an armed post that keeps me on edge all day, so a civil place to blow off some steam is what I need.
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    « Reply #37 on: September 21, 2016, 07:06:56 pm »
    Thanks, laid back is what I'm looking for.  I work an armed post that keeps me on edge all day, so a civil place to blow off some steam is what I need.

    Then I think you've come to the right place. I mean, after all, one of our members has "That's what SHE said!" as his sig line  :P.
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

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    « Reply #38 on: September 22, 2016, 04:09:27 pm »
    Then I think you've come to the right place. I mean, after all, one of our members has "That's what SHE said!" as his sig line  :P.

    I may be old, or just not "hip", but I've never understood that line.  Is it a movie reference, or what?   :hmm
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    « Reply #39 on: September 22, 2016, 04:57:01 pm »


    It's an innuendo meme...

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    « Reply #40 on: September 22, 2016, 06:59:58 pm »
    So far off-topic (who the hell moderates this place anyway?)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Said_the_actress_to_the_bishop
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    « Reply #41 on: September 22, 2016, 07:03:06 pm »
    So far off-topic (who the hell moderates this place anyway?)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Said_the_actress_to_the_bishop

    Now why did you share this? You know I'm going to incorporate it into my repertoire now  :neener.
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

    Paradoxically it is those who strive for self-reliance, who remain vigilant and ready to help others.

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