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Title: Grabbing the Bad Guy's Gun.
Post by: MTK20 on January 15, 2017, 08:03:28 pm
https://youtu.be/3q3kAi9j1FY

The front sight, under recoil, does not automatically become a deadly hand slicer.
Title: Re: Grabbing the Bad Guy's Gun.
Post by: Raptor on January 15, 2017, 08:16:21 pm
Hmm... I'm gonna have to rewrite that scene in Fallen Star now.
Title: Re: Grabbing the Bad Guy's Gun.
Post by: MTK20 on January 15, 2017, 09:21:04 pm
Hmm... I'm gonna have to rewrite that scene in Fallen Star now.

Sorry for causing extra work on your part  :-[.

Still a cool demonstration, though  :cool.
Title: Re: Grabbing the Bad Guy's Gun.
Post by: Raptor on January 15, 2017, 09:27:34 pm
Sorry for causing extra work on your part  :-[.

Still a cool demonstration, though  :cool.

lol, no worries. The story needs a major overhaul anyways; I'll just cut out the bit about Keith's palm getting sliced open.
Title: Re: Grabbing the Bad Guy's Gun.
Post by: MTK20 on January 15, 2017, 10:01:25 pm
Regarding this situation, Massad Ayoob recommended a particular sight because it was kind of sharp and could deter more grabby bad guys. I can't remember what sight that was though.

If the BG was using that and Keith had a crummy grip on the gun, that one sentence could save you some writing.

Also, I just really want to find out what sight that was again.
Title: Re: Grabbing the Bad Guy's Gun.
Post by: Raptor on January 15, 2017, 10:42:56 pm
The entire manuscript needs serious overhauling regardless. I was just trying (and failing, as usual  ::) ) to be humorous.

Apologies for the derail. We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread.
Title: Re: Grabbing the Bad Guy's Gun.
Post by: ZeroTA on January 16, 2017, 01:14:29 am
On any striker fired pistol you can put your thumb behind the slide and prevent it from moving with no effort. I didn't believe it til I tried. A full grip will lock it up pretty well.
Title: Re: Grabbing the Bad Guy's Gun.
Post by: sarge712 on January 17, 2017, 03:52:25 pm
On any striker fired pistol you can put your thumb behind the slide and prevent it from moving with no effort. I didn't believe it til I tried. 

Yep. I tried it with a G22 when we were first issued them back in 1994.
Title: Re: Grabbing the Bad Guy's Gun.
Post by: MTK20 on January 17, 2017, 07:07:46 pm
Yep. I tried it with a G22 when we were first issued them back in 1994.

How is it with something as snappy as a .40? I'd assume that would be one of the more difficult one's to do.
Title: Re: Grabbing the Bad Guy's Gun.
Post by: Chief45 on January 18, 2017, 10:01:00 am
that is the Glock 40.  :hmm    just a little bit of pressure really.   no problem to keep the slide in place while firing.



How is it with something as snappy as a .40? I'd assume that would be one of the more difficult one's to do.
Title: Re: Grabbing the Bad Guy's Gun.
Post by: MTK20 on January 18, 2017, 10:13:16 am
that is the Glock 40. :hmm    just a little bit of pressure really.   no problem to keep the slide in place while firing.

In the video I shared, he said it was a 9mm Glock  :cool.
Title: Re: Grabbing the Bad Guy's Gun.
Post by: freeman1685 on January 18, 2017, 10:19:32 am
I have to laugh, this subject comes up every few months or so, and I gigglesnort.  Some so called expert talks about grabbing a gun, and holding the slide while it's being fired.  :facepalm

The answer is really quite simple, and is based on the mechanics of every modern auto loader.  If you are close enough to get your hand on an adversary's weapon, you push the friggin' slide out of battery, and it can not be fired at all.  Every modern auto loader has a mechanism of some kind that keeps the thing from being fired if the slide is out of battery.
Title: Re: Grabbing the Bad Guy's Gun.
Post by: Chief45 on January 18, 2017, 04:57:49 pm
my bad.  You quoted Sarge, who had just replied he had done it with a 40S&W Glock model 22.   I did not understand that you were still talking about the video. 




In the video I shared, he said it was a 9mm Glock  :cool.
Title: Re: Grabbing the Bad Guy's Gun.
Post by: MTK20 on January 18, 2017, 05:13:37 pm
my bad.  You quoted Sarge, who had just replied he had done it with a 40S&W Glock model 22.   I did not understand that you were still talking about the video.

All good. As long as we are talking about the Good Guy's disarming the BG's in spectacular fashion, then we're all in agreement  :neener.

https://youtu.be/KoXRCh2c3l0
Title: Re: Grabbing the Bad Guy's Gun.
Post by: Plebian on January 18, 2017, 06:07:12 pm
I think if you are at the grabbing a bad guys gun point in the altercation. 'Will it hurt my hand?' is way down on the list of worries.

It seems to fall into the grabbing a blade to stop someone stabbing you. Yeah it is gonna hurt your hand, but it seems better to stop it with your hand than using your internal organs and rib cage to hopefully stop the stabbing. 
Title: Re: Grabbing the Bad Guy's Gun.
Post by: sarge712 on January 19, 2017, 04:15:33 pm
I think I'm going to grind my front sight to a sharp point tonight so I will be deadlier tomorrow.
Title: Re: Grabbing the Bad Guy's Gun.
Post by: Plebian on January 19, 2017, 04:25:01 pm
I think I'm going to grind my front sight to a sharp point tonight so I will be deadlier tomorrow.

Don't you want it dull, so it will hurt more?

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Title: Re: Grabbing the Bad Guy's Gun.
Post by: Rockwolf66 on January 20, 2017, 10:59:46 pm
Plebian,

You can actually grab a sharp blade without getting cut. It's just nearly impossible to properly grab some elses blade properly. People have been grabbing blades to beat some fool for centuries.

https://youtu.be/vwuQPfvSSlo

Title: Re: Grabbing the Bad Guy's Gun.
Post by: Kaso on January 20, 2017, 11:15:54 pm
Plebian,

You can actually grab a sharp blade without getting cut. It's just nearly impossible to properly grab some elses blade properly. People have been grabbing blades to beat some fool for centuries.
Plebian is our resident expert on medieval weapons.  He knows a great deal about the subject, including halfswording.

Good video though.  Thanks for sharing. :thumbup1
Title: Re: Grabbing the Bad Guy's Gun.
Post by: Plebian on January 21, 2017, 12:10:51 am
It's just nearly impossible to properly grab some elses blade properly.

I got some super sweet scaring on my left hand that illustrates how hard it is to grab an attackers blade without getting cut.  ;)
Title: Re: Grabbing the Bad Guy's Gun.
Post by: digiroc on January 24, 2017, 07:47:55 am
... The answer is really quite simple, and is based on the mechanics of every modern auto loader.  If you are close enough to get your hand on an adversary's weapon, you push the friggin' slide out of battery, and it can not be fired at all.  Every modern auto loader has a mechanism of some kind that keeps the thing from being fired if the slide is out of battery.

While that is true I wouldn't expect to be able to keep the slide pushed out of battery as the assailant will be trying to get it back, and once the slide comes forward the pistol will fire. This is not the case with a revolver if you get a grip on the cylinder the gun will not fire unless the hammer has been cocked into single action. This is one reason why I like a hammer on my revolvers. Cocking it into single action also sends a message that you are prepared to shoot.

In any case, an attacker who comes that close with a weapon in hand is not a skilled gun handler and deserves to be beaten with his own weapon.

digiroc
Title: Re: Grabbing the Bad Guy's Gun.
Post by: digiroc on January 24, 2017, 08:14:10 am
Plebian is our resident expert on medieval weapons.  He knows a great deal about the subject, including halfswording...

I have a cousin who is a member of the Creative Acronisum (sp?) Society, a group who gets together to beat the snot out of each other with Oak staves as swords while dressed in homemade but period correct armor.

I have an interest in edged weapons so I asked cousin Chris to bring an extra set of armor next time he was coming to town and he did. We faced off and he was awesome. I'm pretty agile, but he was able to stand in front of me and whack me repeatedly in the back of the helmet with his Oak "sword". I had no defense for this and ultimately had to strike his sword hand (cheating) to make him drop his "sword". I promptly stepped on it and held my sword in high ready.

He could have charged me weaponless, but this was a friendly fight so he just b____ed about me cheating. Moral to the story, chivalry aside, there are no rules in a real fight, take any advantage you can. Of course if it were a real sword fight with real swords he would have cut my head off long before I had a chance to strike his sword hand.

digiroc
Title: Re: Grabbing the Bad Guy's Gun.
Post by: freeman1685 on January 24, 2017, 09:27:05 am
While that is true I wouldn't expect to be able to keep the slide pushed out of battery as the assailant will be trying to get it back, and once the slide comes forward the pistol will fire. This is not the case with a revolver if you get a grip on the cylinder the gun will not fire unless the hammer has been cocked into single action. This is one reason why I like a hammer on my revolvers. Cocking it into single action also sends a message that you are prepared to shoot.

In any case, an attacker who comes that close with a weapon in hand is not a skilled gun handler and deserves to be beaten with his own weapon.

digiroc

As you have pointed out, a CHUD stupid enough, to get close close enough to have their gun grabbed by a victim, is probably not going to have the presence of mind to pull away.  Their reflex is going to be to push.  They will be disoriented by the fact that their target isn't the wool producing herd animal they had anticipated.

Pushing the slide out of battery is only the first of a series of possible techniques aimed at disarming them.  Even something as simple as a good solid kick to the juevos is going to be a distraction.  Pistolcraft is more than pulling a trigger, a knowledge of self defence techniques is as essential, as proper weapons handling.
Title: Re: Grabbing the Bad Guy's Gun.
Post by: LowKey on January 24, 2017, 09:39:58 am
I have a cousin who is a member of the Creative Acronisum (sp?) Society, a group who gets together to beat the snot out of each other with Oak staves rattan as swords while dressed in homemade but period correct armor.

I have an interest in edged weapons so I asked cousin Chris to bring an extra set of armor next time he was coming to town and he did. We faced off and he was awesome. I'm pretty agile, but he was able to stand in front of me and whack me repeatedly in the back of the helmet with his Oak rattan "sword". I had no defense for this and ultimately had to strike his sword hand (cheating) to make him drop his "sword". I promptly stepped on it and held my sword in high ready.

He could have charged me weaponless, but this was a friendly fight so he just b____ed about me cheating. Moral to the story, chivalry aside, there are no rules in a real fight, take any advantage you can. Of course if it were a real sword fight with real swords he would have cut my head off long before I had a chance to strike his sword hand.

digiroc

Just FYI they use rattan, not wood, for swords and other weapons for safety reasons.  If rattan breaks it tends to do so with very blunt ends. Wood can split and leave a long and very dangerous splinter that could be accidentally driven into your opponent.       

And yes, being on the receiving end of wrap shots (facing you but hitting you in the back of the head/torso/legs) can be quite painful.
Title: Somewhat off topic ...
Post by: digiroc on January 24, 2017, 02:57:25 pm
Just FYI they use rattan, not wood, for swords and other weapons for safety reasons...

A quick google of the SCA shows that now they do indeed use rattan. The SCA has been around since 1966, taking a clue from Kendo practitioners to replace Oak for rattan in their swords may be something that happened after too many people got hurt with the Oak swords when their reenactments became too real in the heat of battle.

The swords we used back then were definitely Oak. I'm a tree guy by profession so I know my wood. This event was over 30 years ago (I'm 69), on the other hand my cousin may have decided to use oak for our particular swords to ring my bell even more effectively.

digiroc
Title: Re: Grabbing the Bad Guy's Gun.
Post by: Plebian on January 24, 2017, 03:55:57 pm
Most of the wasters(practice swords) in use anymore are synthetic of one sort or another. It is safer than wood or rattan and many are flexible enough to practice various thrusts with as well. Which was not advised with wooden wasters.

SCA and HEMA are quite different in many ways, but there are many folks that cross back and forth of course. SCA is typically more RP like experiences, and HEMA tends to be a little more martial art oriented.

The rules for both obviously vary greatly. SCA tends to have rules that lean toward making good shows and moving away from actual historic practices in combat. (Head, neck, wrist, lower leg etc strikes)

Where HEMA tends to have a minimal rule set trying to approximate historic combat as close as safely possible. HEMA also tends to have afterblow penalties or graces of various types. So if you make a great thrust to my chest, but I strike immediately after with a strike to the head or neck. We either both end up with no points OR negative points. So it tends to reward real world strikes you can pull off and still defend the afterblow. Since this is stressed over and over in many treatise from the time periods studied. 

Matt Easton on the scholagladiatoria youtube channel does excellent HEMA/historical fencing videos. If you are so inclined to watch. 
Title: Re: Grabbing the Good Guy's Cane...
Post by: digiroc on January 25, 2017, 06:29:37 am
Thank you Plebian for your illumination on the subject. Off topic, but interesting nonetheless. Encountering an edged weapon on the street can be more intimidating than facing a firearm, especially when within grasping distance.

We have all heard about never bringing a knife to a gun fight, and I would also say most, if not all of us, have heard about the "21 foot rule" when facing an assailant with an edged weapon. Putting hits on a knife weilding attacker may not be enough to prevent him from closing the distance and cutting your throat. 

A handgun can be neutralized easier in contact distance than an edged weapon. Firearms are standoff weapons and once that distance is closed their best advantage is lost. This is why many experienced fighters carry an edged weapon of some sort for that last resort type of encounter when the distance is reduced to zero and you are grappling or even rolling around on the ground with your attacker.

My favorite edged weapon is a sword cane made by Cold Steel. While affecting a cane (thankfully I don't need one to get around, yet). Of course when I have the cane I also have, at a minimum, my J frame Smith. The cane is a defensive weapon that offers a graduated response. Once a gun is drawn the only option left is pulling the trigger.

The cane can be used as a standoff weapon, much easier to two hand before it is unsheathed than a naked blade. it can also be very effective a a club, with the sword in it it's pretty heavy. When the attacker grabs it, a likely reaction, then he is left with a lightweight aluminum tube and you have a sword which he has unsheathed for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7ozTWYvk2o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7ozTWYvk2o)


digiroc
Title: Re: Grabbing the Bad Guy's Gun.
Post by: Plebian on January 25, 2017, 07:15:08 am
A sturdy cane is a pretty formidable weapon in its own right.

I have never personally used the Cold Steel sword cane, but every sword cane I have seen in person was flimsy enough to be near useless. Cold Steel tends to make sturdy, heavy products with questionable balance but plenty of strength. So it may be a serviceable weapon.

It was just always hard for me to see the advantage of a sword cane over carrying a good solid cane AND a nice fixed blade knife.

I think many folks over look the excellent qualities of a good solid impact weapon, and do not give it nearly the respect it deserves in trained hands. 
Title: Re: Grabbing the Bad Guy's Gun.
Post by: digiroc on January 25, 2017, 09:51:05 am
A sturdy cane is a pretty formidable weapon in its own right... I think many folks over look the excellent qualities of a good solid impact weapon, and do not give it nearly the respect it deserves in trained hands.

"Trained Hands" is a key point. Even when empty, trained hands can be and are devastating weapons. Against a skilled Kendo operator my sword cane wouldn't be much of a challenge. I followed your link to scholagladiatoria and my sword cane is not even a consideration in a sword fight.

I am not a swordsman or even close. My encounter with my Cousin so many years ago proved that to me without a doubt. Having said that, the Cold Steel sword cane is a concealed weapon that allows my level of aggression in response to an encounter that could lead to an attack by common street thugs to proceed in stages, unlike drawing my firearm which leaves me only one option left, pulling the trigger.

My first and, so far most reliable defensive option, is situational awareness, avoiding trouble and dangerous encounters by avoiding them. Times are changing now and for many years I felt that (by training) I could handle most civilian street threats without resorting to deadly force. Now not so much. I'm going to be 70 years old this year and have lost the stamina for a protracted fight for my life.

Gone are the days i could go ten rounds or even three. I'm reminded of the Toby Keith song "I'm not as good as I once was, but I'm as good once as I ever was". Now I've got at best a minute of fight left in me, but if I can't end it in the first 15 seconds, (or 1.5 seconds if firearms are involved), I should have stayed at home.

digiroc
Title: Re: Grabbing the Bad Guy's Gun.
Post by: Chief45 on January 25, 2017, 10:42:32 am
used to be an outfit around called Cane Masters.  http://www.canemasters.com/ (http://www.canemasters.com/)  offering stock and custom made canes and instruction in their use for self defense.   The idea being, who looks twice at a cane.  These are not the cheap junk, or the stupid hidden sword stuff.  These are simply well made, very solid canes, with some grip points built in, that can be carried anywhere, including federal buildings, that you already have in your hand.

part of the point being, you carry a sword cane, and use it, you are potentially setting yourself up.  You use a solid wooden cane that has NO secrets or hidden stuff, and it's just a cane. 

I did some training with a Bo and Jo and I have a lot of respect for what can be accomplished with a simple piece of wood.  Especially if your in places where you can't carry anything else.


A sturdy cane is a pretty formidable weapon in its own right.

I have never personally used the Cold Steel sword cane, but every sword cane I have seen in person was flimsy enough to be near useless. Cold Steel tends to make sturdy, heavy products with questionable balance but plenty of strength. So it may be a serviceable weapon.

It was just always hard for me to see the advantage of a sword cane over carrying a good solid cane AND a nice fixed blade knife.

I think many folks over look the excellent qualities of a good solid impact weapon, and do not give it nearly the respect it deserves in trained hands.
Title: Re: Beat the bad guy with a stick ...
Post by: digiroc on January 25, 2017, 11:10:54 am
All good points Chief 45, and I do have a collection of "regular" canes as well as my "stupid sword cane" (a point I beg to differ on). I'll check out your link to fighting canes, a good choice in many situations.

I do have a pretty good Shillelagh parked behind my front door, which by the way, is a much more threatening device than my sword cane from a casual glance.

digiroc
Title: Re: Beat the bad guy with a stick ...
Post by: Chief45 on January 25, 2017, 12:42:00 pm
I don't know about the one from Cold Steel, as they do good work, but the VAST majority of sword canes I've seen over the years can be classed as JUNK

All good points Chief 45, and I do have a collection of "regular" canes as well as my "stupid sword cane" (a point I beg to differ on). I'll check out your link to fighting canes, a good choice in many situations.

I do have a pretty good Shillelagh parked behind my front door, which by the way, is a much more threatening device than my sword cane from a casual glance.

digiroc
Title: Re: Beat the bad guy with a stick ...
Post by: digiroc on January 25, 2017, 02:01:15 pm
I don't know about the one from Cold Steel...

See the video i posted and get a more informed opinion.
Title: Re: Grabbing the Bad Guy's Gun.
Post by: MTK20 on January 25, 2017, 02:50:32 pm
Thread drift  :coffee.
Title: Re: Grabbing the Bad Guy's Gun.
Post by: digiroc on January 25, 2017, 02:58:33 pm
So true MTK20. as new guy here I take the blame, so an attempt to get back on topic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmQk3DnTcSs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmQk3DnTcSs)

My command of languages is not there (yiddish) but the video somewhat speaks for itself. The Israelis have taken self defense pretty seriously, for more information Krav Maga development and techniques Wikipedia has more info:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krav_Maga (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krav_Maga)

digiroc
Title: Re: Grabbing the Bad Guy's Gun.
Post by: MTK20 on January 25, 2017, 03:49:33 pm
So true MTK20. as new guy here I take the blame, so an attempt to get back on topic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmQk3DnTcSs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmQk3DnTcSs)

My command of languages is not there (yiddish) but the video somewhat speaks for itself. The Israelis have taken self defense pretty seriously, for more information Krav Maga development and techniques Wikipedia has more info:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krav_Maga (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krav_Maga)

digiroc

Not your fault, we're notorious for drifting threads here. I myself am a pretty bad offender as well  :cool.
Title: Re: Grabbing the Bad Guy's Gun.
Post by: Plebian on January 25, 2017, 04:32:10 pm
Thread drift  :coffee.

Thread ENHANCEMENT is a standard feature of this forum.  :D
Title: Re: Grabbing the Bad Guy's Gun.
Post by: Kaso on January 25, 2017, 04:41:47 pm
So true MTK20. as new guy here I take the blame, so an attempt to get back on topic:
Don't mind MTK20.  ;)  We are pretty lax about enforcing thread drift anymore, but sometimes he wants to keep talking about the topic at hand.

And it is a good topic to discus.  Personally, I have given it some thought, and I feel that controlling the opponent's weapon - especially a firearm - is preferable to trying to disable it.  If someone gets the drop on you, and sticks a gun into your ribs, are you really going to try to push it out of battery?  My first priority would be gaining control of the muzzle - pointing somewhere other than me.  Once that is done, the gun is more or less neutralized.  It is still a threat, and the opponent still has the firing grip, but pulling the trigger will do him no good.

I am not trained in disarming techniques, so I will not offer advice or opinions, but the first priority it to either move off of the line of fire, or move the line of fire off of you.
Title: Re: Grabbing the Bad Guy's Gun.
Post by: MTK20 on January 25, 2017, 04:41:59 pm
Thread ENHANCEMENT is a standard feature of this forum.  :D

 :rotfl

Welcome to Gun Talk: Tokyo thread Drift edition.
Title: Re: Grabbing the Bad Guy's Gun.
Post by: Kaso on January 25, 2017, 04:44:36 pm
Thread ENHANCEMENT is a standard feature of this forum.  :D
Indeed.  The mods used to be anal about thread drift, and FMJ caught a lot of flak back in the day.  Now we just run around unsupervised, and the threads go where we take them. :thumbup1
Title: Re: Grabbing the Bad Guy's Gun.
Post by: ZeroTA on January 26, 2017, 08:58:28 am
In the last class I took we worked on disarms from different angles,  and it's actually pretty simple. All of us were effective nearly 100% of the time, with a gun in your face or chest, off to the side, or in your back.  I'd say 100% but I didn't see every single drill for every single person. It's one of those things that you think, "Hmmm...I don't know..." until you do it. It's not that hard. I wouldn't say it's a go-to move, but it's certainly an option if you're behind the curve.
Title: Re: Grabbing the Bad Guy's Gun.
Post by: MTK20 on March 12, 2017, 01:39:38 pm
Not sure why this police officer entered a cramped bus with only one hand on her service firearm and an outstretched hand, but here is a bad guy who was (thankfully) unsuccessful at disarming this police officer.

https://youtu.be/PBSzm5ns5TU
Title: Re: Grabbing the Bad Guy's Gun.
Post by: coelacanth on March 12, 2017, 02:10:07 pm
Well, hindsight is usually 100% correct but I'm thinking if you have a deranged man on a bus, you have to actually enter the bus to A) protect the driver and any passengers remaining on board  B) Confront the threat and make sure he doesn't take control of the bus and drive it into bystanders or other vehicles.  As far as why one hand was outstretched?  Who knows - balance while boarding the bus while simultaneously confronting the threat?  It could easily have gone wrong and from a training standpoint maybe it did but as soon as the man refused to put his hands up he pretty much signed his own death warrant in that situation. 
Title: Re: Grabbing the Bad Guy's Gun.
Post by: MTK20 on March 12, 2017, 02:20:59 pm
Well, hindsight is usually 100% correct but I'm thinking if you have a deranged man on a bus, you have to actually enter the bus to A) protect the driver and any passengers remaining on board  B) Confront the threat and make sure he doesn't take control of the bus and drive it into bystanders or other vehicles.  As far as why one hand was outstretched?  Who knows - balance while boarding the bus while simultaneously confronting the threat?  It could easily have gone wrong and from a training standpoint maybe it did but as soon as the man refused to put his hands up he pretty much signed his own death warrant in that situation.

Hell, him coming towards her gave her the right to put rounds on target. I think maybe she did need it for balance, but he was really eager to go in for the disarm. I shudder to think what would've happened had the partner not been there.
Title: Re: Grabbing the Bad Guy's Gun.
Post by: coelacanth on March 12, 2017, 02:28:03 pm
I honestly think that if I had been that bus driver, I would have tried to tackle the guy at the knees when he was struggling with the officer or at least try to shove him out the door with a well placed boot in his ass. 
Title: Re: Grabbing the Bad Guy's Gun.
Post by: MTK20 on March 12, 2017, 02:55:57 pm
https://youtu.be/S22kXawlLHI

This bus driver knew how to handle "the ruckus" on his bus. He pinned the ne'er do well with the bus doors and then taught him some lessons with in the confines of his justice mobile, all while not even stopping. 10 and 2? More like 10 and beat ass  :cool.

My favourite part is how Norah Jones sunrise plays peacefully in the background while the physical behavioural modification is in progress  :rotfl. It might be past sunrise in Chile, but that crook certainly came away with a few shiners  :P.
Title: Re: Grabbing the Bad Guy's Gun.
Post by: coelacanth on March 12, 2017, 03:02:29 pm
Owie.   :shocked
Title: Re: Grabbing the Bad Guy's Gun.
Post by: booksmart on March 13, 2017, 09:53:43 am
A cousin? Do *that*?! NEVER...  ::)
Title: Re: Grabbing the Bad Guy's Gun.
Post by: MTK20 on March 13, 2017, 09:55:56 am
A cousin? Do *that*?! NEVER...  ::)

Cousin?

I only see bus drivers and police officers here  :shrug.
Title: Re: Grabbing the Bad Guy's Gun.
Post by: booksmart on March 13, 2017, 02:08:33 pm
D'oh! this is either in the wrong thread, or a looooot got posted...  :facepalm


Yup... a lot got posted. This was in response to the cousin setting him waaaay back on page 1... in my defense, I had a stomach bug over the weekend, and I'm still not 100%.