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Fred Mastro Training- Anybody Know Him?
« on: March 03, 2017, 07:00:35 pm »
I've watched a couple of his videos and I wanted to know what y'all think. Is this anything viable or just flashy ninjary?

I noticed that none of his opponents ever fight back and he is kind of rough with them at times, which makes him look like a bit of a jerk.

I think I vote ninjary on this one.

It seems to me that no matter what "system" someone uses, the basics always apply. 1. Mind set/emotional fitness and then 2. physical stopping through selected structures (weight bearing, sensory, etc).

If this guy isn't a joke, he's downright dangerous.

Besides, WTF does a bouncer need to elbow someone in the throat? managing socially belligerent drunks is a little different than a cop stuck in a life or death struggle for his service sidearm. Lethal force is probably not necessary in the former situation.
Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
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    Re: Fred Mastro Training- Anybody Know Him?
    « Reply #1 on: March 04, 2017, 12:10:55 am »
    Well, ideally you would think that lethal force isn't necessary.  That is why most serious "bouncers" operate in pairs with enough training to make them effective.   The point is you don't ever really know what you're up against so the idea is to show up with what appears to be overwhelming force and be prepared to go quick and dirty if it comes to that.  Remember, if there is an actual ruckus on the property the bouncer(s) is not really doing what they're being paid for.  The idea is to peacefully escort the person(s) off the premises.   

    The instructor appears to be using a combination of techniques similar to what is taught in Krav Maga .   The joint locks and strikes to pressure points are common to hapkido, arnis and other schools of martial arts with the purpose being to cause an involuntary reaction that removes the threat from the victim with a minimum of danger.  And yes, someone who is well trained in these disciplines and prepared to use them to whatever degree necessary is indeed a dangerous opponent.  Speed, power and accuracy are always the keys to employing weapons even if they are the ones you were born with. 
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    Re: Fred Mastro Training- Anybody Know Him?
    « Reply #2 on: November 03, 2017, 09:59:49 am »
    I have seen his videos, and have appreciated his techniques.  He is a member of Funker Martial Arts (now Aperature) I believe.  I would love to take a few of his classes, to really get a feel of his teaching style, as it is hard to make a judgement call on some people from just watching a video with no context on how they really are.

    Then there are some like VODA, that you know all you need to know from just watching the video.

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    Re: Fred Mastro Training- Anybody Know Him?
    « Reply #3 on: November 03, 2017, 02:13:40 pm »
    I think he is making a bit of a show because he is on camera.

    The main issue I see in these videos is the opponent has no clue of the bare basics of striking. They do not have their chins tucked(neither does he) and there is no attempt at distance control. Videos are usually made to show technique. So they often have the opponent be in the ideal state to apply said technique.

    If you wanted to see the true usefulness of his techniques. You would want to film a considerable amount of half force/speed scuffles. There are tons of techniques that look great in practice, but are just damn near impossible to apply in a sparring situation.

    This is one of the reasons so many martial arts fail in self defense and competitive fighting. They are miles long on techniques, but only a half inch of actual application. I think this is why jujitsu transitioned to MMA so quickly. Since it is built on 'rolling' in a friendly competition. You learn how to apply 'your technique' not the idealized version. Boxing and wrestling also transition very easily as well. You may learn the idealized hook or ankle pick techniques, but you also get lots of practice application on how YOU need to throw a hook OR pickup an ankle.

    It is much like square range practice compared to force on force with firearms. My outlook on HOW to apply the techniques from the square range changed immensely after my very first force on force class.   
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