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Title: Expandable Batons are Useless.
Post by: MTK20 on November 01, 2019, 03:23:15 am
https://youtu.be/uDBv-Vo7B5M

Don't just watch this video, but examine the short list of examples he made at the end.

Personally, I've always thought a metal stick didn't sound so bad for personal defense. Granted, I think it's still illegal to carry them in Texas so  :shrug .
Title: Re: Expandable Batons are Useless.
Post by: booksmart on November 01, 2019, 09:01:33 am
It isn't what I would suggest for the sole means of self-defense, but for getting clear and making space, it'll do the trick.
Title: Re: Expandable Batons are Useless.
Post by: RetroGrouch on November 02, 2019, 01:28:49 am
He really doesn't explain his point. WHEN, exactly is it legal, and WHEN, exactly, is it effective?  If he is a former cop, he should be able to explain those two things, like he would if testifying in court.  And if he can't, that would explain why he is a former cop.
Title: Re: Expandable Batons are Useless.
Post by: AZretired on February 27, 2020, 12:05:15 am
As a former cop and have carried and used an expandable baton on more than one occasion. I can say they are at least as effective as a wooden baton. They do have their uses and are effective if you use proper strike points and not just wale away.
Title: Re: Expandable Batons are Useless.
Post by: coelacanth on February 27, 2020, 02:37:42 am
Did you carry an expandable as well as a standard baton or a PR-24?  :hmm
Title: Re: Expandable Batons are Useless.
Post by: Chief45 on February 27, 2020, 09:57:16 am
I started out with a PR24,  still have it.  Love that tool.   Thanks to the Rodney King incident and CHP,  we quit using them. . .  :shrug.  Bad PR and my Sheriff at that time was worried about how it looked.

Went to the expandable batons,  ASP brand in my case.   Useful,  used several times.   Biggest single benefit was you always had it on your belt, so you always had an impact tool with you.  I actually went with the Louisville slugger version (36"),  just for the extra reach and impact speed at the tip. That was useful when using it as a "come along".    My officers still carry an expandable and it is useful,  In It's Place.   I did not watch that video, but I've seen and heard similar idiots over the years.   it boils down to,  trying to make a baton do something it's not designed for, when you should be using something else.

Title: Re: Expandable Batons are Useless.
Post by: booksmart on February 27, 2020, 10:13:57 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ThrlTaPWO8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ThrlTaPWO8)
Title: Re: Expandable Batons are Useless.
Post by: coelacanth on February 27, 2020, 01:51:44 pm
I started out with a PR24,  still have it.  Love that tool.   Thanks to the Rodney King incident and CHP,  we quit using them. . .  :shrug.  Bad PR and my Sheriff at that time was worried about how it looked.

Went to the expandable batons,  ASP brand in my case.   Useful,  used several times.   Biggest single benefit was you always had it on your belt, so you always had an impact tool with you.  I actually went with the Louisville slugger version (36"),  just for the extra reach and impact speed at the tip. That was useful when using it as a "come along".    My officers still carry an expandable and it is useful,  In It's Place.   I did not watch that video, but I've seen and heard similar idiots over the years.   it boils down to,  trying to make a baton do something it's not designed for, when you should be using something else.


I guess the thing I like about the PR 24 type is its versatility.  Its not just a striking tool, although it excels at that as well.  Defensive tool, compliance tool or weapon against man or beast.   I was surprised to see my Dad's vet using one to help move cattle around for examinations and ear tags and such one fine spring day.  He said the ability of it to concentrate considerable force in a small area made it a valuable tool for handling animals that routinely scratch an itch on tree bark and barbed wire fencing.