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CCW Concerns about Registration.
« on: October 24, 2018, 08:56:14 pm »
Of all the things to be concerned of regarding concealed handgun licensing, this one has me scratching my head in confusion.

I have a friend who just got his CHL. As y'all know, we live in Texas and we are allowed to legally have private firearm purchases here. This is legal all without an FFL present. My friend has bought several handguns from friends, many from estate sales. He is concerned about carrying any of his handguns that are not on record as being purchased and in his name, due to them not being "registered" to him.

Do any of you have any input on what I could tell him to ease his fears in this matter?

My first handgun that I carried forever was a Glock 30, which was gifted to me by my Father. That gun isn't in my name, it's in Dad's, but it was my carry gun for a long time. I don't think that makes it "unusable" for defense of my life. In another example, many of you have shotguns for home defense. Your shotguns are registered in y'alls name and not in your wives'. If you were out of the house and your wife had to defend herself with what is legally your shotgun, she would not be in hot water over it.

If y'all have any opinions or input on this, I'd like to hear it.
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Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
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    Re: CCW Concerns about Registration.
    « Reply #1 on: October 24, 2018, 09:13:02 pm »
    I'm not sure I understand his concern.  I haven't lived in Texas for some several years, but I don't remember any registration laws.  Is he using the word "registration" in lieu of 4473 traceability?

    Is the real concern that the pistol might be stolen and he would be in trouble if that came to light after a self defense shoot and his gun was traced?  Does he not trust/know the sellers?

    What is the real cause for him to want his pistol to be "registered" (whatever that means)?

    I have some thoughts, but my response is dependent on the root cause of your friend's concern.
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    « Reply #2 on: October 24, 2018, 09:16:43 pm »
       It's not "registered".  Yes the records 4473 point to who it was first sold to.

    After that.....I bought it off of XXX or sold it to XXX.

    Im under no obligation to prove either.   I know of guns that have been through 5-8 owners. 

     
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    Re: CCW Concerns about Registration.
    « Reply #3 on: October 24, 2018, 10:00:02 pm »
    He is concerned about carrying any of his handguns that are not on record as being purchased and in his name, due to them not being "registered" to him.
    :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

    In the nicest of ways, please tell your friend to pull his head out of his ass.

    With the exception of a few <non-free> states that require a carry permit to list the specific (as in by serial number) handgun to be carried (and Texas isn't one of them) there is no legal requirement that he even OWN the handgun he's carrying, as long as he is in lawful possession of it.  You could loan him a handgun you owned while his was being worked on for example, and he'd be legally in the clear if he had to use it.

     Why anyone would see having a firearm "registed" to them as  a good thing IDK.... :banghead

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    « Reply #4 on: October 24, 2018, 10:23:20 pm »
    I'm not sure I understand his concern.  I haven't lived in Texas for some several years, but I don't remember any registration laws.  Is he using the word "registration" in lieu of 4473 traceability?

    Is the real concern that the pistol might be stolen and he would be in trouble if that came to light after a self defense shoot and his gun was traced?  Does he not trust/know the sellers?

    What is the real cause for him to want his pistol to be "registered" (whatever that means)?

    I have some thoughts, but my response is dependent on the root cause of your friend's concern.

    Yes, he specifically means 4473 traceability. I'm trying to explain to him that that doesn't matter in a self defense shoot (as long as he didn't steal it or use it in a crime). The details of the actual self defense shoot is what matters.
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

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    Re: CCW Concerns about Registration.
    « Reply #5 on: October 24, 2018, 10:27:16 pm »
    :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

    In the nicest of ways, please tell your friend to pull his head out of his ass.

    With the exception of a few <non-free> states that require a carry permit to list the specific (as in by serial number) handgun to be carried (and Texas isn't one of them) there is no legal requirement that he even OWN the handgun he's carrying, as long as he is in lawful possession of it.  You could loan him a handgun you owned while his was being worked on for example, and he'd be legally in the clear if he had to use it.

     Why anyone would see having a firearm "registed" to them as  a good thing IDK.... :banghead

    Thank you! I made sure to tell him.

    Btw, don't you live in Texas currently? Didn't see a state flag in your Sig line.
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

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    « Reply #6 on: October 24, 2018, 11:19:31 pm »
    MTK,

    From what I see, I think you are already well on your way to addressing the situation and allaying the fears of your friend. :thumbup1
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    « Reply #7 on: October 25, 2018, 12:15:11 am »
    Agreed.  The entire idea of firearm "registration" is foreign to me.  :scrutiny   I've never lived anywhere where that was the law or the custom and private sales or inherited guns don't even raise an eyebrow if you aren't a prohibited possessor. 
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