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Re: CCW and Home Defense in action
« Reply #25 on: March 01, 2012, 04:20:34 pm »
This Morning:
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=19419913&s_cid=rss-148

My $.02 - The bad guy is not going to let you go get your weapon out of the closet. Hes going to put one between your eyes, rape your wife, and then go down and finish the tortilla ham wrap he put back in the fridge.
Get yourself a damn Gunvault, they cost around $30. Its worth it, even for that brick you paid $150 to Hipoint for.
Cable it to your bedpost. Faster than you can call 911, you can have your weapon in your hands, and when not under threat, your kids are safe and the weapon secure, stowed under lock and key, or biometric combination.
This guys biggest mistake? Not making the dumbass take off HIS cloths first! NOW he has to replace that outfit.
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    Re: CCW and Home Defense in action
    « Reply #26 on: April 10, 2012, 02:16:21 am »
    UPDATED: Police say Pleasant Grove homeowner fatally shot 14-year-old burglar
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    Update 4:30 p.m. by Avi Selk: Dallas police send along the dead boy's name and age:

        Luis Avila 5-12-1997 is the deceased involved in the shooting that occurred at 7315 Vallejo. The other two suspects that we have in custody are ages 13 and 14 years old. There names will not be released because of their juvenile status. They will be charged with burglary. The homeowner has been released pending a Grand Jury referral. It was said earlier that the homeowner was home with his "teenage" son. We have since learned that the homeowner's son is an adult male 25 years old. This incident will be documented on service number 84987-Z.


    Original entry 1 p.m.: A teenage boy was shot and killed by a homeowner this morning when he broke into a home in South DallasPleasant Grove, police said.

    The incident began about 11 a.m. when three 13- or 14-year-old boys knocked on the front door of a home in the 7600 block of Vallejo Drive. Neither the homeowner nor his teenage son answered, police said, so the three suspects went to the back door.

    At some point, the homeowner warned the teens that he was armed, police said. When one of the three kicked in the back door, the homeowner shot the teen, killing him. The teen's name and age were not released.

    The other two suspects fled but were quickly arrested by police. They are likely to be charged with burglary of a home.

    It was unclear whether the homeowner or his son knew the suspects.

    "We are trying to be respectful of everything the homeowner has been through," said Lt. David Pughes, the homicide unit commander. "It's obviously a very traumatic experience."



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    Re: CCW and Home Defense in action
    « Reply #27 on: April 10, 2012, 09:21:28 pm »
    UPDATED: Police say Pleasant Grove homeowner fatally shot 14-year-old burglar
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    Christina Rosales

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    Update 4:30 p.m. by Avi Selk: Dallas police send along the dead boy's name and age:

        Luis Avila 5-12-1997 is the deceased involved in the shooting that occurred at 7315 Vallejo. The other two suspects that we have in custody are ages 13 and 14 years old. There names will not be released because of their juvenile status. They will be charged with burglary. The homeowner has been released pending a Grand Jury referral. It was said earlier that the homeowner was home with his "teenage" son. We have since learned that the homeowner's son is an adult male 25 years old. This incident will be documented on service number 84987-Z.


    Original entry 1 p.m.: A teenage boy was shot and killed by a homeowner this morning when he broke into a home in South DallasPleasant Grove, police said.

    The incident began about 11 a.m. when three 13- or 14-year-old boys knocked on the front door of a home in the 7600 block of Vallejo Drive. Neither the homeowner nor his teenage son answered, police said, so the three suspects went to the back door.

    At some point, the homeowner warned the teens that he was armed, police said. When one of the three kicked in the back door, the homeowner shot the teen, killing him. The teen's name and age were not released.

    The other two suspects fled but were quickly arrested by police. They are likely to be charged with burglary of a home.

    It was unclear whether the homeowner or his son knew the suspects.

    "We are trying to be respectful of everything the homeowner has been through," said Lt. David Pughes, the homicide unit commander. "It's obviously a very traumatic experience."



    Even as clear cut as that may appear it is yet again the Homeowner who has to deal with a GRAND JURY for defending himself in his own home.
    Just plain stupidly sad.
    He had to kill a teenage kid in self defense for petesake...
    Indiana'The average response time of a 911 call is over 23 minutes, the average response time of a .44 magnum is 1400 feet per second.'

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    Re: CCW and Home Defense in action
    « Reply #28 on: April 10, 2012, 11:10:53 pm »
    Keepandbeararms.com is a good source for self defense news, sarge.
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    Re: CCW and Home Defense in action
    « Reply #29 on: April 12, 2012, 11:03:05 am »
    Tom Givens of Rangemaster (Memphis TN) has some outstanding material on this exact subject.  (I just took a short class from him on this subject at the Central Florida Tactical Conference a couple of weeks ago in Polk County, FL)

    Per his talk, Memphis has something like 10% of the violent metropolitan crime in the U.S., 3x more violent per capita than L.A.  Over the decades he claims to have trained something like 38,000 students in personal protection and shooting, and has debriefed about 58 of his students who have been involved in self-defense shootings.  He distilled these 58 debriefs into about ten representative cases, into which he's made a ~2 hour presentation that he originally gave at a national tactical conference a few years back.  If you have the chance to hear him give this presentation as part of a class or somehow, it's well worth listening to.

    He presented the following statistics about what actually happened in these some five dozen shooting incidents involving his students.  No word on how many more students would have been victims but who stopped the attack with a gun, without having to shoot.  The rules/conclusions below are based on these several dozen attacks, and are not intended to start caliber wars or other arguments.  (For instance, all but one of ten encounters occurred at less than 15 feet distance, and one occurred at 15 yards.  Givens does not use that to say you don't need to practice at more than 10 feet, quite the contrary)  Just sayin', this fascinating info is presented as info and not as proof of what you need to do or not to do necessarily.  Also he was adamant about don't prepare for the average, prepare for the worst.

    - Almost all of the attacks occurred outside the home, very few in the home (but there were a couple).
    -Almost all of the attacks were armed robberies.  At least half of the attacks were with multiple attackers.
    -If you get hits COM with a 9mm/40/45, it will do the job (out ten cases, 3 were 9mm, 6 were 40, and 1 was 45)
    -His (ten) students fired 38 shots and got 36 hits out of that.  Average was 3.8 shots, ranging from a low of one shot to a high of 11 shots.
    -Mall parking lots and convenience stores are terrible places to go, most attacks occurred in these kinds of places.
    -Givens' rule of thumb about these defensive encounters is that the gun fight will be "3 shots, in 3 seconds, at 3 feet".  His take is that the fight will be over within a couple of seconds, and if you haven't placed a hit(s) on the bad guys by then, you'll have lost.
    -Be alert and aware.  Figuring out you're about to be attacked a few seconds ahead of time and beginning to take action sooner makes a big difference.
    -Be armed everywhere, if you're going to carry.  Each one of these attacks happened so quickly there was no time to run to get a weapon and spare ammo not on one's person.


    Fascinating lecture, don't pass up a chance to hear it if you can.

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    « Reply #30 on: April 12, 2012, 12:12:10 pm »
    A weird little incident I had.

    Several years ago i was living in a small town of about 12,000 people.  Being an exceedingly warm summer evening I had the front door open with only the screen door closed which also didn't have a very good lock-a good forceful tug would force it open. 

    It was about 2:45am and I was lounging in bed watching TV and playing on the internet.  I hear a car pull up out front and the engine shut off which was kind of odd since I wasn't expecting company and those visiting the neighbors parked closer to their homes.  I then hear someone walk onto my porch and try the front screen door which was immediately next to my bedroom.  By the time I had grabbed my weapon the intruder had already yanked the door hard enough to get it open and was standing at my bedroom door.  I swung my bedroom door open and blinded the intruder with a maglight and trained my sights on them and was very close to pulling the trigger.  Very. Close. 

    The intruder was a female and appeared intoxicated.  She was very disoriented by the light and was asking for someone who didn't live there.  I immediately considered that she may have accomplices and killed my bedroom lights and moved to be less of a target from fire from the windows, dropping to one knee while keeping her blinded by the flaslight.  I made her turn around and face the wall and keep her hands visible and told her not to move.  (I would have ordered her to go prone but there was no way she was gonna be able to perform that task in her inebriated state).  As soon as she was where I wanted her I moved to where the phone was and called the cops and they showed up about 5 minutes later.

    Cops ended up charging her with DUI and disorderly conduct.  They asked if I wanted to press any charges but I declined.  She was in enough trouble.  I did ask that they inform her when she was sober that she was a hairs breadth from being shot in the head and to reexamine her drinking habits.

    I'm glad she complied with my directions and I'm glad she didn't do anything stupid while the cops were coming.  I'm really glad I didn't hear an accomplice coming through the back or something.  If someone else would have came in behind her or if I heard my back door or a window kicked in I'd have put a pair right through her head with absolutely no hesitation and moved on to deal with the next threat.  I thank god I didn't have to.  That was the thing that was running through my mind for days after.  Thank god I didn't have to kill anyone. 


    Two years ago, I had a similar encounter.  I hadn't lived in my apartment even 3 months yet!  I had just gone to bed on a Friday night, kind of late.  Barely drifting off to sleep, I suddenly experience one of those "whole body jerks".  Know what I'm talking about?  When you just realized that you did indeed hear what you thought you heard.  Anyway.

    My door was being kicked.  Ferociously.  I snatched up the 870 Tac Express, chamber checked, then posted in the hallway, about 14 feet from the front door.  The corner of the kitchen gives a decent shooting position there.  I waited a bit, and finally the door gave, and I lit the guy up with the streamlight.  This dude is extremely damn lucky I recognized him.  It was my neighbor from across the hall, and he was VERY DRUNK.  He turned white as a sheet and hit the ground on his knees.  I lowered the muzzle some, but not off target, and ordered him back.  He scoots back across the breezeway, blabbering the whole time. At this point I stepped outside....I guess to make sure nothing else was about to happen.

    Here's where it gets....hairy.   Sort of.  His girlfriend/SO/whatever opened the door at this time.  She'd heard the commotion.  It turns out that she locked him out of the apartment because she was tired of him coming home slammered drunk, and he just went to the wrong door my mistake.  She comes completely unhinged when she sees the shotgun.  Raising hell, telling me that she's going to call the cops.

    Enter quick thinking: "Ma'am, you need to tend to your boyfriend, he looks like he's about to have a heart attack.  I'll call the police, right this second"

    "Yes, I'm at Apartment XY at Such&Such complex, and I've had an incident with an intruder.  No one was hurt, but I need an ambulance and a police officer here quickly"

    The results were that he was arrested for Public Intoxication, they had to pay for my door repairs, and they were evicted from the complex.  None of that was directly my doing either.  I declined to press charges, and didn't get a good laugh when the officer told Miss Priss that she's very lucky her boyfriend wasn't killed that night.


    I still live there, too.

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    « Reply #31 on: April 24, 2012, 05:15:54 pm »
    Armed Georgia Granny Thwarts Robbery In Her Car

    http://www.citizen-times.com/article/20120424/NEWS/304240068/Ga-grandmother-shoots-would-robber?odyssey=mod

    Pretty cool story especially since the guy shot at her with a "...48 caliber gun." We all know how deadly those .48's are  ::)
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    « Reply #32 on: April 24, 2012, 06:26:19 pm »
    Pretty cool story especially since the guy shot at her with a "...48 caliber gun." We all know how deadly those .48's are  ::)
    A 480 Ruger maybe?
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    « Reply #33 on: April 24, 2012, 08:11:48 pm »
    More like a miss-spelled .38...
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    « Reply #34 on: May 09, 2012, 02:34:59 am »
    Fort Worth pastor puts his faith in the Good Book and a .40-caliber pistol
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    By Domingo Ramirez Jr.

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    FORT WORTH -- Pastor Anthony Jobe tensed up when someone kicked his kitchen door Monday morning.

    After two break-ins in six years, the 53-year-old Army veteran grabbed his .40-caliber handgun and walked to the kitchen.

    "I was scared," Jobe said Tuesday. "At about the time I reached the kitchen, he stepped in and I fired one time."

    The intruder ran, jumping into a car in Jobe's driveway in the 2400 block of Hunting Drive. Jobe fired at least twice more, hitting the windshield and back window of the car, which sped away.

    "I wasn't wanting to kill anyone," said Jobe, pastor of a small congregation at All Things New Community Church in west Fort Worth. "I wanted them off my property and I didn't want them to come back."

    Police said the man believed to be the intruder was dropped off at a local hospital, where he remained Tuesday with injuries that are not life-threatening. He faces a charge of burglary, police spokeswoman Sharron Neal said.

    Police found a car Monday at East Berry Street and Stalcup Road that matches the description of the one used in the burglary attempt.

    It had two people inside, but no other arrests were made.

    Jobe said he doesn't pay much attention to those who called him a "pistol-packing pastor" or to praise he received on the Internet for the action he took.

    He says his main goal in life is to uplift the name of the Lord and encourage the discouraged.

    "I still plan to live my life as peacefully as possible," Jobe said. "Other church leaders might say someone shouldn't do what I did, but I believe the Bible says I should defend myself and my family."

    A graduate of O.D. Wyatt High School and Andersonville Theological Seminary, Jobe said his full-time job is working as a security guard at a Fort Worth mobile home plant.

    He has a concealed-handgun permit.

    Police said that when the investigation of the shooting is complete, the case will be turned over to the Tarrant County district attorney's office to determine whether to present it to a grand jury.

    Jobe said he didn't know whether he would use the shooting as part of his next sermon.

    "It didn't feel good to shoot at someone. I was just rattled afterwards," Jobe said. "But if I hadn't had my gun, I would have had a worse feeling."

    The home invasion and shooting happened in seconds.

    "If I ever see that guy again, one of my first questions would be, 'Guy, what were you thinkin'?'" Jobe said.

    Domingo Ramirez Jr.,

    817-390-7763

    Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/2012/05/08/3946565/fort-worth-pastor-puts-his-faith.html#storylink=omni_popular#storylink=cpy

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    « Reply #35 on: May 09, 2012, 06:28:07 am »
    "Police said that when the investigation of the shooting is complete, the case will be turned over to the Tarrant County district attorney's office to determine whether to present it to a grand jury."

    Only one question. WHO is being investigated?
    Because if they are investigating the Preacher and if this story is actual and factual then that's all you really need to know about why our 'justice' system is so fouled up. No people go unpunished when exercising their right to defend themselves.

    Indiana'The average response time of a 911 call is over 23 minutes, the average response time of a .44 magnum is 1400 feet per second.'

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    « Reply #36 on: May 09, 2012, 08:03:18 am »
    Indiana'The average response time of a 911 call is over 23 minutes, the average response time of a .44 magnum is 1400 feet per second.'

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