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Another road rage incident
« on: March 14, 2014, 02:30:27 pm »
http://touch.mcall.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-79610288/

I am currently on my iPad so I couldn't play the video, but I think this is the correct story.

I don't often get shaken up my the news because in all honesty it is all negative and fear mongering filth. I will say that when I awoke this morning and saw this on the news it did bother me a bit.

Basically what happened was that this person (our victim who sadly is no longer with us) was driving on the highway just like you or I do every day. Traffic got frustrating and things got heated. The perpetrator of the crime was in a pick up and got in the lane next to the victim and repeatedly rammed them until they were off of the road and the perp then drove on. The victim is sitting on the shoulder of the road and dials 911 and reports the incident. During this time the perp decides he isn't done yet and makes a u turn, pulls up next to the victim and shoots repeatedly until victim is fatally injured.

As responsibly armed and law abiding citizens, I know we need to emphasise de-escalation. I mean REALLY emphasise it. I want to go home, I want them to go home and honestly if I can help it I don't want to get into a gun fight. I think the first thing I would do as part of my self defense continuum of talk/walk/force. Would be to get the hell out of there, I can call and report something from home when I am away from the situation as easily as from the side of the road when I am still in danger. If I cannot get away from the situation (making it a very bad day) I think a trunk gun in addition to my piece on me would be wonderful, assuming that in the situation I could get to the trunk gun. In reality though, I do not have a trunk gun yet. I would love a shotgun though in back if I could.

Thoughts?

This being the Internet, I know we can all easily type on the forum and say we hit every bullseye, only catch 10 pound fish, and have never bagged a buck that had under 10 points; but part of the reason I love this place is that while there is an amazing amount of firearms knowledge here (seriously, I will never know as much as y'all do). I know that the community takes this part of the forum seriously, we are all human and no matter how much of it you have; you could always learn something new or always use a little extra training.

Personally, I know I need to hit the range more  :-[.
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Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

    Paradoxically it is those who strive for self-reliance, who remain vigilant and ready to help others.

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    Re: Another road rage incident
    « Reply #2 on: March 14, 2014, 03:30:21 pm »
    According to the article at the second link, the perpetrator shot at the victim, apparently while both were in motion, in Maryland, then ran him off the road after crossing the PA/MD line, then doubled back to shoot him again.

    What I couldn't ascertain from the article is whether the victim's vehicle was still drivable.  If it was, he would have been better off driving to the next exit, preferably one with a gas station or other 24-hour establishment.

    But it's easy to Monday-morning QB these things when you're not out there in the middle of the night, pumped full of adrenaline and having just regained control of your vehicle after being run off the road.

    [Note: the story itself isn't new; but the video is]
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    Re: Another road rage incident
    « Reply #3 on: March 14, 2014, 04:13:08 pm »
    I agree, that a functioning vehicle would be the best life saver in this incident.

    After my research, I did notice the story is not new, but this is the first I had heard of it.

    I didn't catch that shots were fired in motion  :shocked.
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
    Ray Chapman, used to say that the 125-grain Magnum load’s almost magical stopping power was the only reason to load .357 instead of .38 Special +P ammunition into a fighting revolver chambered for the Magnum round. I agree. - Massad Ayoob

    Paradoxically it is those who strive for self-reliance, who remain vigilant and ready to help others.

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    Re: Another road rage incident
    « Reply #4 on: March 14, 2014, 05:33:05 pm »
    I'm somewhat familiar with this incident, as I have family that lives in the area where it occurred. I was also unaware that there were shots fired while in motion. I'm not sure if that is newly released, or if the reporters then or now got a crucial detail wrong (none of the above would surprise me, reporters are idiots).

    I won't Monday Morning QB the victim if he was run off the road in a road rage incident. The police harp* on you to LEAVE THE VEHICLES WHERE THEY ARE!!!!!!!!1111111ONE111!!!!!!!!, and this was apparently taught in every Driver's Ed class since the Model T, and people just naturally think Auto Accident = Stay Put. So, he thinks he got hit-skipped and road-raged and the guy left. The cops may even have told him to remain there.

    That said, someone shoots at me and I'm unarmed, I'm not staying anyplace until I'm surrounded by taxpayer-provided guns and uniforms. If my vehicle is disabled, I may very well get out of that puppy and hide out of sight until a Trooper arrives, if I don't think I can make it to a public place quickly on foot**.

    I hope they catch this guy. They have a lot of forensic info, but nothing has shaken out yet.

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    * I've seen people attempt to leave their vehicles in the hammer lane of the freeway at rush hour for a paint-swap. I've pulled up and found people wandering around a working eight-lane ON FOOT because they wanted to leave their cars where they ended up. And, just when you think that cops have all the common sense and regular folks don't, I witness a wreck on a fast-moving two lane at a blind curve, get everyone out of the road so no one else gets plowed, and get b!tched at by the flat-hat that shows up because "his" vehicles aren't where they are supposed to be. Some people's kids, I tell you.

    ** This would adequately describe the area in question. Even at the exit, there are not a lot of businesses, and I don't think there are any that would be open at that time of day. Go 100 yds from the exit in any direction and it is farmland.
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    Re: Another road rage incident
    « Reply #5 on: March 15, 2014, 12:02:59 am »
    I don't know what to say about this except to say what my Dad told me:  "If someone picks a fight with you, fight until the fighting is done."

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    Re: Another road rage incident
    « Reply #6 on: March 29, 2014, 01:46:39 am »
    Don't escalate, don't make eye contact, avoid trouble as much as you can.  These folks are not mad about your driving- there is something eating them deep inside and they are looking for a target for their rage.  And whatever you do, don't laugh at them- that will really boil their teapot.

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