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Re: Sit down and hold on to something solid before you watch this
« Reply #25 on: April 16, 2009, 11:51:28 am »
I'll take two. Don't care if they're pump or semi, as long as the price reflects the action. I WILL take it to the skeet fields and use it with pride.

Funny thing is, I never had any desire for a PS-90, but it must've had something to do with the caliber and the price.
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    Re: Sit down and hold on to something solid before you watch this
    « Reply #26 on: April 16, 2009, 11:59:00 am »
    I'm all about form and function.  This just feels like a great idea! 
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    Re: Sit down and hold on to something solid before you watch this
    « Reply #27 on: April 16, 2009, 01:16:10 pm »
    I would consider one in semi-auto.  :clap
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    Re: Sit down and hold on to something solid before you watch this
    « Reply #28 on: April 22, 2009, 09:48:00 pm »
    this one looks interesting to me



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    it seems I missed the 0 at the end


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    Re: Sit down and hold on to something solid before you watch this
    « Reply #29 on: April 22, 2009, 10:28:13 pm »
    That SRM shotgun system looks very good.  I like it a lot.
    But the P90-Type Shotgun magazine system looks superior.  Holds a greater number of rounds in a more compact space and your not twisting the mag every 4 shots.  It just needs to be a Semi.  I'd take it in a pump - but these days it needs to be a Semi.
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    Re: Sit down and hold on to something solid before you watch this
    « Reply #30 on: April 25, 2009, 12:48:30 pm »
    I look at the 4 tubes manually being spun as a starting point.  I am sure someone with enough engineering skill can have some sort of device that automatically turns it for you.  Maybe on a semiauto it tries to turn it every time, but only when a specific knob on the follower is in a specific place (that tube is empty) is it engaged.

    also, 16 rounds onboard in a balanced, ready to go fashion is great.  Compare how great of a sacrifice the 'twist' is compared to a 'pump'  Compare a pump with a 16 shot capacity, that would be dang awesome. Really, is shoot-pump-shoot-pump (6x or 8x times on a tactical shotgun) that crippling? No.  In theory, you could shoot-twist-shoot-twist x16.  I know it is intended to shoot 4 times, twist once, repeat 4 more times, but then how many guys run their pumps as shoot once load once.

    Here you just twist rather than pump, and once it does go dry, you can reload those 16 really fast by slapping in a new magazine. 

    Now, a clear tube so you can see what is what would be excellent too.

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    Re: Sit down and hold on to something solid before you watch this
    « Reply #31 on: April 25, 2009, 12:50:28 pm »
    heck they could set it up so rather than twist, you twist by attaching a ratchet to a pump

    then you got a 16 shot 'semi-auto-pump'

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    Re: Sit down and hold on to something solid before you watch this
    « Reply #32 on: April 25, 2009, 04:38:11 pm »
    Sure, akodo, you could do that. By the same token, you could engineer a pistol so that you got the pull of a single action and simple operation of a double-action by mounting the barrel, cylinder and firing pin on a slide which, when driven back under recoil, would rotate the cylinder and re-cock the hammer.

    But there are simpler solutions to the problem, all things considered.

    The big advantage the SRM offers, as elaborated in the video, is the option to carry multiple loads in the shotgun.
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    Re: Sit down and hold on to something solid before you watch this
    « Reply #33 on: April 25, 2009, 09:02:45 pm »
    And I can't think of any shotgun with a practical 16 round magazine. Wraithmakers and the like for the saiga are cool, and probably a lot of fun, but probably more finicky than you want, and awkward to carry around for a reload.
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    Re: Sit down and hold on to something solid before you watch this
    « Reply #34 on: April 26, 2009, 08:42:49 pm »
     I saw the rotating tube magazine, thought of the Kedar, and said, "Cool! Somebody made a helical magazine for a shotgun like the Calico!"
       I wonder if a helical mag could be upscaled for a shotgun. Any reason why not?

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    « Reply #35 on: April 26, 2009, 09:44:20 pm »
    And I can't think of any shotgun with a practical 16 round magazine. Wraithmakers and the like for the saiga are cool, and probably a lot of fun, but probably more finicky than you want, and awkward to carry around for a reload.

    and you think 4 tubes of 4 doesn't make a practical mag?

    I was just using the rachet-pump as an example.  I think the key lies in the follower, when no shell is blocking it, engages a part and the mag rotates itself, giving you 16 rounds on semiauto in a relatively compact package.

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    Re: Sit down and hold on to something solid before you watch this
    « Reply #36 on: April 26, 2009, 09:59:23 pm »
    Why worry with the tubes when the P90 type system is proven, holds more, probably more reliable, and much more compact.
    This could be put upside down to feed from the bottom, like other mags. 
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    Re: Sit down and hold on to something solid before you watch this
    « Reply #37 on: April 27, 2009, 10:53:20 am »
    and you think 4 tubes of 4 doesn't make a practical mag?

    I was just using the rachet-pump as an example.  I think the key lies in the follower, when no shell is blocking it, engages a part and the mag rotates itself, giving you 16 rounds on semiauto in a relatively compact package.
    If all you need is a really large magazine, is there some reason that a detachable box is per se inferior to have four tubes in a rotating cylinder? Drums have their problems, but even having two 10-rounders and a Saiga 12 seems like it would be a better choice than the SRM if all you need is large magazine.
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    Re: Sit down and hold on to something solid before you watch this
    « Reply #38 on: April 27, 2009, 11:08:15 am »
    They have a name for that where I come from. NICE!!!!!!

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    Re: Sit down and hold on to something solid before you watch this
    « Reply #39 on: April 27, 2009, 06:23:45 pm »
    and you think 4 tubes of 4 doesn't make a practical mag?

    I was just using the rachet-pump as an example.  I think the key lies in the follower, when no shell is blocking it, engages a part and the mag rotates itself, giving you 16 rounds on semiauto in a relatively compact package.
    I meant other than the rotating tube, I can't think of one.

    I would want to see a side-by-side comparison of reloading the SRM and the Saiga, the SRM gets more than half again as many shots as the saiga does before reloading, so it would have to be pretty slow reloading to give the Saiga an advantage. Then again, the rotating after four shots gives it an inferior rate of fire, and while I would be surprised if there was a situation where you couldn't get to cover to reload after 10 rounds, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a time you wanted to be able to keep shooting uninterrupted after four shots.
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    Re: Sit down and hold on to something solid before you watch this
    « Reply #40 on: April 30, 2009, 02:17:30 pm »
    Hey, akodo: http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/05/01/rci-xrail-roth-auto-index-loader/

    (I'm still inclined to think that this sort of thing is inferior to a box magazine or two supporting the same capacity, just because the detachable box seems to less complicated, but to each his or her own.)
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