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Re: Simple, inexpensive shotgun
« Reply #50 on: February 08, 2015, 09:48:17 am »
Uh, somebody needs to check his cismale white privilege.   :rotfl
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did that just happen??

also- what do y'all think the ATF will think of our shotgun? they have a history of hating on open bolts.
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    Simple, inexpensive shotgun
    « Reply #51 on: February 08, 2015, 09:52:13 am »
    I've got a variant on the T/C break open design figured out... Adding an ejector to the design should be easy... I'm working on modifying the AR trigger and hammer for better hand geometry in a shotgun platform.

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    « Reply #52 on: February 08, 2015, 10:58:37 am »
    You're treading on my dreams, Preston. :(

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    « Reply #53 on: February 08, 2015, 01:26:10 pm »
    Still old school...
    Hard to beat a H&R/NEF single shot. New about $100, at a gun show, some can be had for as little as $50.

    Now personally, I prefer a 20 ga youth model, just how raised mind you. The gist being a bigger person can shoot a smaller gun, while a smaller person cannot use effectively a larger shotgun.  i.e. for a "behind the back door" shotgun, anyone from kid, to adult can use the gun.

    While coming up there was always a youth 20 ga behind the back door, until I was introduced to the 28 ga. No secret I have a fondness for 28 ga shotguns. We reloaded our shells, including round ball "slugs" and the 28 ga is akin to 50 cal.

    Just keep in mind "I are old".  ;)
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    « Reply #54 on: February 08, 2015, 09:56:21 pm »
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    « Reply #55 on: February 09, 2015, 12:09:46 am »
    OK - NEF single shots.  You can buy them in almost new condition for $150.  They have an ejector mechanism and an external hammer and no other  mechanical safety.  They are about as simple as it gets for a modern firearm.  Adding another barrel adds weight and complexity and building an ejector mechanism into a double gun is expensive.  I feel like we're trying to reinvent the wheel here.   :hmm   

    A bolt gun would probably be the simplest and cheapest route.   Any ideas about whether a Mosin-Nagant rifle could be converted to shoot .410 shotshells?  The magazine modification would likely be the trickiest part but if you can do it with an Enfield, I don't see why it couldn't be done with the M-N.   :shrug
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    « Reply #56 on: February 09, 2015, 10:01:08 am »
    ...NEF single shots. They have an ejector mechanism and an external hammer and no other  mechanical safety.

    Actually, NEF single shot arms have an internal transfer bar safety and, oddly enough, an interlock to prevent the action from being opened when the hammer is cocked.  I say "oddly enough" because unlike earlier examples of the genre, as the NEF action cannot be opened to allow completely safe lowering of the hammer with the action open.
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    « Reply #57 on: February 09, 2015, 11:07:44 am »
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    A bolt gun would probably be the simplest and cheapest route.   Any ideas about whether a Mosin-Nagant rifle could be converted to shoot .410 shotshells?  The magazine modification would likely be the trickiest part but if you can do it with an Enfield, I don't see why it couldn't be done with the M-N.

    But then you have an eight-pound, bolt-action .410 based on a crappy rifle.  If there's a shotgun less useful than our slam-fire single-shot 12 gauge, that's probably it.  ;)

    The NEF is mechanically simple, but a design made of stamped metal or tubing would be cheaper to produce.

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    Re: Simple, inexpensive shotgun
    « Reply #58 on: February 09, 2015, 05:49:58 pm »
    Still old school...
    Hard to beat a H&R/NEF single shot. New about $100, at a gun show, some can be had for as little as $50.

    Now personally, I prefer a 20 ga youth model, just how raised mind you. The gist being a bigger person can shoot a smaller gun, while a smaller person cannot use effectively a larger shotgun.  i.e. for a "behind the back door" shotgun, anyone from kid, to adult can use the gun.

    While coming up there was always a youth 20 ga behind the back door, until I was introduced to the 28 ga. No secret I have a fondness for 28 ga shotguns. We reloaded our shells, including round ball "slugs" and the 28 ga is akin to 50 cal.

    Just keep in mind "I are old".  ;)

    I like your thinking.  I'm be old, too - 65 in a couple months.   

    There is something actually elegant about the slim lines and feather weight of these break action single shots.  I have an old 12 gauge that my dad gave me that he used as a kid.  I have a new NEF 20 gauge that I use as a barn gun (amazingly light and handy) and an H&R .45-70 for our "primative weapons" deer season here, presently underway.   With a little practice in how you hold an extra shell or even two in your support hand, you'd be surprised how rapidly you can get off a second shot.  These are dandy little firearms whose utility has stood the test of time.
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    « Reply #59 on: February 09, 2015, 07:39:51 pm »
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    Re: Simple, inexpensive shotgun
    « Reply #60 on: February 09, 2015, 10:32:43 pm »

    The trick would be making it so it works with birdshot.  One downside to the open-bolt operation is that if you tried to carry it ready-to-fire, the shell could just fall out.  I'm not sure that anyone would need a gun like this at patrol ready though, so it may not be an issue.  The safety could just be a notch that the cocking knob can slide into, like how you lock the bolt back on a G3 rifle.


    Could you rig a spring-loaded, hinged cover to snap down over the loading port to keep the shell in place, but as the trigger is pulled and the bolt slams forward, it releases the cover to spring open and eject the spent shell? That would allow you to transport it loaded over rough terrain without dumping the shell.

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    Re: Simple, inexpensive shotgun
    « Reply #61 on: February 10, 2015, 12:21:52 pm »
    I just realized I have a big box of springs that would work perfectly for a long recoil primary.

    The hardest part of long recoil would be the timing which isn't such a factor with a single shot.  That leaves the lockup.  I don't have a Auto 5 here, but don't recall the bolt being overly complex. The carrier could be simplified a great deal. 

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    « Reply #62 on: February 16, 2015, 08:13:34 am »
    Outside the box thinking is good, especially if you find yourself in a spot where you need to be creative in how you come up with a firearm....
    But for the ultra budget concious, you can't beat a single shot shotgun.  They can be had super cheap, are deadly effective at close range, and don't require much training or practice to operate.
    I've almost pulled the trigger so to speak on getting one a few times as an "office" gun, so I don't have to run back to the bedroom if I'm working in my home office and neeed something quick.
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    « Reply #63 on: February 21, 2015, 07:16:54 am »
    Again,
    Do not rule out the Youth model.
     My H&R/NEF 20 ga is only 36" total length, including factory recoil pad.
     Bone stock, with a fixed modified choke, and yes, I want choke, and yes it does pattern slugs, and buckshot quite well.

    So, to me, I have a very easy to tote, maneuver, "concealable" factory shotgun. By concealable, I mean I can be standing, and have it behind my leg, and it not touch the floor. i.e. answering the door.

    There is that factor, heaven forbid,if it is used to defend,the judge and jury will see a factory, bone stock, 20 bore youth model.

     
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    « Reply #64 on: March 03, 2015, 04:07:00 pm »


    There is that factor, heaven forbid,if it is used to defend,the judge and jury will see a factory, bone stock, 20 bore youth model.

    Amen.  I would hate to rely on a single shot in extremis, but you are right that judge and jury would look more favorably on you than if the investigators found a lot of 5.56 spent shell casings on the floor of the "crime scene" of your self defense and those casings were yours.  I know, fire 'till the threat is eliminated, but . . .
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    « Reply #65 on: March 03, 2015, 04:10:38 pm »
    The point isn't that there's something wrong with the NEF. The point is trying to make something as inexpensive as possible. Well, that WAS the point. Now the point is for Jesse to make me my auto ejecting single shot.
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