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Slug me
« on: March 29, 2012, 09:47:58 pm »
So I finally picked up an EOTech (on the cheap!) for my railed Tromix Saiga-12, and it's time to dial her in for slugs at 100'.  My dilemma?  I have never used slugs.  I'm strictly a buck-or-bird-shot guy until now.  So, what I need:

1.) A good recommended slug round that will work well in all platforms (pump, semi-tube, semi-mag, etc...) for hunting/defense.  I try to keep my ammo varieties to a minimum within caliber.  2 3/4" if possible, but that's just because I like to get the most capacity out of my tubes.
2.) Instructions for patterning slugs.  I assume (which I probably shouldn't) that I would do it just like a rifle, yes?  Can I "battle zero" at 25' and be on at 100'?  Help me learn this.
3.) Anything else you can think I should know about shotgunning with slugs.
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    Re: Slug me
    « Reply #1 on: March 30, 2012, 10:56:03 pm »
    The height of sight axis above the bore will affect where the line of sight intersects the path of the slugs.  In the attached picture, the red curve represents the path of the slug out of the bore.  The same gun and load sighted at 25 yards with a low sight axis (the black line) will have a different range where the point of impact is in line with point of aim than a higher sight axis (blue line) on the same gun.

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    « Reply #2 on: March 31, 2012, 12:22:14 pm »
    That's an interesting way to graphically represent it. I'm used to comparing two different graphs, or twin curves.

    Height over bore is a two edged sword. It is neither good nor bad, it just is- though either low or high might be better for a given application. High height over bore will result in close in shots hitting below POA, but it gives you a longer point-blank range (read: you will be + or - an acceptable amount for a greater distance. In the case of flat shooting cartridges like the 5.56, that can stretch out to 250 yards of just putting the dot on the BG and pulling the trigger.

    Low height over bore means that close in POA and POI will more closely coincide. That can matter quite a bit if you are trying to, say, shoot a hostage taker in the head.

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    Re: Slug me
    « Reply #3 on: March 31, 2012, 04:29:39 pm »
    Also, re: slugs... for antipersonnel use, I would stick with 2 3/4. Any 12g load is dumping a metric arse-ton of energy into its target. Absent some very specific conditions (for instance, attaining a desired ballistic trajectory or hunting velociraptors) the 2 3/4 round should be just dandy. The extra energy in the 3" round usually translates into nothing more than shoulder pain, the rearing of a lovely baby flinch from infancy to adulthood, and measurably slower followup shots.

    Also, have fun sighting in with slugs.  :thumbup1

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    Re: Slug me
    « Reply #4 on: March 31, 2012, 11:01:49 pm »
    3 inch slugs make great big fireballs too.

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    Re: Slug me
    « Reply #5 on: April 01, 2012, 12:24:33 am »
    Also, most (all?) LE slug loads are 2 3/4. Some are even Reduced Recoil, so lighter loads than standard hunting loads. This is because full power slugs are generally overkill for antipersonnel use, with their main utility being the dumping of a surplus of energy into a target in one chunk (as opposed to 9 or more little pieces of kinetic liability flying downrange in somewhat varying directions). Don't get me wrong, I like shotguns, slugs and buckshot, and I respect the slug for its ability to penetrate cover and/or soft armor, but I think it would usually achieve that in either standard or reduced recoil iterations. It really is a massive chunk of metal moving at substantial speed.

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    Re: Slug me
    « Reply #6 on: April 02, 2012, 03:04:18 pm »
    Defensive loads are what I'm looking for, mostly.  Not AS worried about using them for hunting, and I agree with your statement about even low-recoil putting a lot of energy on target, so 2 3/4" are fine.  Recommendations?
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    « Reply #7 on: April 02, 2012, 04:29:44 pm »
    I use 2 3/4 low recoil Federal Premium tactical slugs.


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    « Reply #8 on: April 02, 2012, 08:19:18 pm »
    Ditto.
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    Re: Slug me
    « Reply #9 on: April 02, 2012, 08:25:02 pm »
    Also, I assume that your Saiga is a smoothbore, yes? You want rifled slugs then. Sabot slugs are for rifled slug barrels.

    As to what range you want to sight it in at ... how high is your height over bore? Measure from the center of the barrel to the center of the optic.

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    Re: Slug me
    « Reply #10 on: April 02, 2012, 08:26:29 pm »
    Yeah, it's definitely a smoothbore.  I'm also looking at picking up a Mossberg 930 SPX soonish, so I'd be using the slugs in that, too.

    I'll have to get back to you on the height over bore.
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    Re: Slug me
    « Reply #11 on: April 04, 2012, 03:25:05 pm »
    Please let me/us know how the Saiga handles slugs. I've never heard of someone using a Saiga as a slug-slinger.
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    « Reply #12 on: April 04, 2012, 03:34:09 pm »
    Please let me/us know how the Saiga handles slugs. I've never heard of someone using a Saiga as a slug-slinger.
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    « Reply #13 on: April 04, 2012, 10:28:12 pm »
    It runs them just fine. I stick with the standard or reduced recoil stuff, more for the longevity of my shoulder than the gun, but it can only be better for the gun, too.

    FWIW I'm sighted in with slugs, and shot tracks the POI of the slugs well enough out to usable buckshot distances.

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    « Reply #14 on: April 09, 2012, 02:59:17 pm »
    So I finally picked up an EOTech (on the cheap!) for my railed Tromix Saiga-12, and it's time to dial her in for slugs at 100'.  My dilemma?  I have never used slugs.  I'm strictly a buck-or-bird-shot guy until now.  So, what I need:

    1.) A good recommended slug round that will work well in all platforms (pump, semi-tube, semi-mag, etc...) for hunting/defense.  I try to keep my ammo varieties to a minimum within caliber.  2 3/4" if possible, but that's just because I like to get the most capacity out of my tubes.
    2.) Instructions for patterning slugs.  I assume (which I probably shouldn't) that I would do it just like a rifle, yes?  Can I "battle zero" at 25' and be on at 100'?  Help me learn this.
    3.) Anything else you can think I should know about shotgunning with slugs.

    Hello,

    My resume, Sir:  Growing up in Indiana, we were only allowed to use certain handguns or shotguns loaded with slugs for deer.  Not being old enough to carry a handgun yet, I went afield with a shotgun.

    The first one was a 'scoped, non-rifled H&R with rifle sights.  I believe the version they have out now is rifled only.  Anyway, at 100 yards I could get a cloverleaf with that thing.  It was 20 gauge.

    A friend blew it up when I loaned it to him and he forgot to clear the mud from the barrel after catching himself with the muzzle. 

    Second was a Mossy 500.  Put a 'scope on that one, too.  Also smoothbore.  It was a 12 gauge and recoil was decidedly violent for a kid, especially off the bench and using a shotgun I'd not yet grown into, so my groups tended to be about 4 to 6 inches at 100 yards. 

    Given that in the stuff I hunted I was lucky to be able to see 50 yards, those spreads mattered little and I spent most of the time on the .22 when I wanted groups.

    Still, for shotgun, my favorite slug was and continues to be the Brenneke Rottweil(er).  It is harder cast and has a semi-wadcutter profile that will better transmit energy to the target.  Also, the attached fiber wad at the base keeps lead and plastic from accruing in the barrel and, in your shotgun, the gas system.

    Regards,

    Josh
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