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Compare and Contrast: Benelli M4/Remington 870/Mossberg 500
« on: August 27, 2010, 07:22:17 pm »
I want a tactical shotgun.  I like handling these three the best.  It needs to be ONE OF THESE THREE: Benelli M4, Remington 870, Mossberg 500  It must have an 18" barrel and a pistol grip, and either come with or be easily modified for picatinny on the receiver.  Ghost ring sights would be nice, but not necessarily mandatory.  I would also prefer a collapsible stock.  Which do you think is the best option?  Which is easiest to use with a pistol grip?  Why?
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    Re: Compare and Contrast: Benelli M4/Remington 870/Mossberg 500
    « Reply #1 on: August 27, 2010, 08:06:10 pm »
    A Semi-Auto vs Two Pumps.  hmmm

    I'd say the Mossberg or Remington because anything else is going to be an available option, wheras aftermarket for the Benelli is limited. 

    Likewise the Benelli will be handicapped in capacity as well.

    Pistol grip I'd give the edge to the Remington due to the placement of the safety, wheras with the traditional grip the Mossberg wins, again due to placement of the safety. 

    I believe though with 18" barrel the Mossberg has the advantage of capacity. 

    Picatinny is easily available for the Rem and Mossberg.  Honestly since the Mossberg 930 hit shelves haven't even bothered to look at the Benelli, no idea on parts. 

    Remember though there is a slight different in both parts and availability of the Mossberg 500 v 590. 
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    Re: Compare and Contrast: Benelli M4/Remington 870/Mossberg 500
    « Reply #2 on: August 27, 2010, 09:07:50 pm »
    A standard Mossberg 500 18.5" holds 5+1, and because of the design of the magazine tube cannot be extended.  If you get the more expensive (but better made) 18.5" Mossberg 590A1, you get 5+1 also, but a magazine tube extension can be added.  The 20" M590A1 gives you 8+1.

    A standard Remington 870 (18.5") holds 4+1, but you can get a magazine tube extension to bring the tube capacity up to 6.  A 20" R870 will net you 7+1.

    The Benelli comes, from the factory, neutered to 5+1 to maintain 922r compliance.  There are, despite this, plenty of aftermarket magazine extensions available.  Competition shooters have been using them for years and years now on Benelli shotguns (none of which have any US made parts).  Still, you may technically be in violation of section 922r if you add a magazine tube extension to a Benelli shotgun, so please keep that in mind.

    The Benelli has accessories available from Mesa Tactical, including side saddles and, for 2010, a shortened fixed buttstock, something the M4 very badly needs.  Mesa Tactical stuff is very expensive, but very well made.  I suppose if you can afford $1500 for the Benelli M4 you can afford another $500 in accessories?  :shrug

    For a pistol grip and collapsible stock...you can get these, from the factory, on the Mossberg and the Remington.  However, on the Mossberg, use of the safety is going to be a little tricky.

    I have a shotgun setup similar to what you want.  I just took a stock 870 express and added some Mesa Tactical accessories.  This was the result:


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    Re: Compare and Contrast: Benelli M4/Remington 870/Mossberg 500
    « Reply #3 on: August 27, 2010, 09:25:47 pm »
    Go for the 870 and build it like Nightcrawler's gun. I have the same basic setup with a 20" barrel, and it's great.
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    Re: Compare and Contrast: Benelli M4/Remington 870/Mossberg 500
    « Reply #4 on: August 28, 2010, 12:08:57 am »
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    Re: Compare and Contrast: Benelli M4/Remington 870/Mossberg 500
    « Reply #5 on: August 28, 2010, 01:19:55 am »
    Dangit, Nightcrawler, first the FALbine and now this...that is TWO of your firearms I now have serious lust issues with :wub  
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    Re: Compare and Contrast: Benelli M4/Remington 870/Mossberg 500
    « Reply #6 on: August 28, 2010, 09:58:54 am »
    I seem to remember Louis Awerbuck not being to kind to the Bennelli M4 in his review.  I forget the details.

    Nightcrawler has all the meanest looking guns.  I like my shells upside down though.

    My vote's for the the Mossberg, but you probably already knew that.  Although with your stated requirement of a pistol grip I'd go with the 870.

    I can't bring myself to spend money on shotguns.  Don't know why.  Well, except for that one time when I forgot what I was doing and ordered a Surefire forend.

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    Re: Compare and Contrast: Benelli M4/Remington 870/Mossberg 500
    « Reply #7 on: August 28, 2010, 11:27:07 am »
    Forget the Benelli M4, IMHO.

    I'm a fan of the 870 myself, but would not turn down a Mossberg 590A1, which would be the preferred version over a 500, IMHO. If you get a Mossberg, then loctite all the screws on it as they tend to come loose over time. The 870's control layout is much more conducive to a pistol grip arrangement. I have a Mesa Tactical LEO adapter on my 870 with a take-off M4 stock, Ergo pistol grip, and VLTOR reciever extension.


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    A great option is purchasing a used 870P when agencies trade in their weapons (The Ogre was hawking a few in the past, for example) and having your way with it by having your choice of sights and accessories installed and maybe refinished.







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    Re: Compare and Contrast: Benelli M4/Remington 870/Mossberg 500
    « Reply #8 on: August 28, 2010, 02:28:51 pm »
    The Benelli M4 is pretty heavy and as far as I know you won't be able to get a collapsible stock.  The M4 is cool and all but not as practical as the other 2 choices that you have.  If you want a semi Benelli then either check out the M2 or M3 convertible.  I have the M3 and it goes from auto to pump quickly and seamlessly and doesn't add any extra weight.  If you absolutely need a collabsable stock then your only choices will be between the Mossberg and Remington.
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    Re: Compare and Contrast: Benelli M4/Remington 870/Mossberg 500
    « Reply #9 on: August 28, 2010, 10:55:34 pm »
    I'm still waiting on a Jam in my Mossy 930SPX.  I'm, what, 5 cases of shells through it with nothing but flawless function.
    If it's a pump - 870.  I'm just biased.
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    Re: Compare and Contrast: Benelli M4/Remington 870/Mossberg 500
    « Reply #10 on: August 29, 2010, 10:54:31 am »
    I'm a mossberg fan BUT if you're going to run a pistol grip the REM makes more sense.
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    Re: Compare and Contrast: Benelli M4/Remington 870/Mossberg 500
    « Reply #11 on: September 03, 2010, 10:29:02 am »
    The biggest disadvantage to the Mossberg 500 for serious field use is magazine tube cleaning/spring changing.  The magazine access issue was dealt with in the 590 series modifications.  

    The magazine spring and follower may be removed on the model 500 by unscrewing the tube from the receiver, this may be difficult the first time. Use anti-sieze lube on the threads before reassembly.

    Magazine tube cleaning is less of a concern with a shotgun kept in the home for defensive use, although I consider it cheap insurance to change out constantly compressed magazine springs every 2 years or so.

    For serious use, I would also advise replacement of the hard plastic safety button and magazine follower on the "civilian" version of he 590 with a milspec metal safety and follower - available from Mossberg.
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    Re: Compare and Contrast: Benelli M4/Remington 870/Mossberg 500
    « Reply #12 on: September 03, 2010, 10:35:46 am »
    I have never, ever short stroked an 870.  I recently found that a Mossberg 500 series will turn me into a short stroking MACHINE.  I have to work the action slowly and deliberately.  Good to know. 

    20 years of muscle memory no longer permit me free use of other shotguns.  Good thing I'm happy with my 870.

    I suggest you shoot before you buy.  I'd have never imagined I'd have such trouble with a Mossy.

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    Re: Compare and Contrast: Benelli M4/Remington 870/Mossberg 500
    « Reply #13 on: September 03, 2010, 10:57:43 am »
    Interesting options: :hmm

     A Maverick 88 trigger assembly will work in a Mossberg 500, creating a pump shotgun with a dual trigger block thumb and crossbolt trigger block safeties.  This would be confusing to any but the owner-operator. This may be  an advantage in an unauthorized access situation.

     Likewise, a model 500 trigger assembly will work in a Maverick 88, creating a pump shotgun with no external safety whatsoever.  This option would demand leaving the shotgun in what is know as "cruiser safe" condition for immediate use.  Cruiser safe: Chamber empty and  hammer down with a loaded magazine.  :cool
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    Re: Compare and Contrast: Benelli M4/Remington 870/Mossberg 500
    « Reply #14 on: September 03, 2010, 11:16:27 am »
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    Same expense equals:

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    Re: Compare and Contrast: Benelli M4/Remington 870/Mossberg 500
    « Reply #15 on: September 03, 2010, 02:10:49 pm »
    Interesting options: :hmm

     A Maverick 88 trigger assembly will work in a Mossberg 500, creating a pump shotgun with a dual trigger block thumb and crossbolt trigger block safeties.  This would be confusing to any but the owner-operator. This may be  an advantage in an unauthorized access situation.

     Likewise, a model 500 trigger assembly will work in a Maverick 88, creating a pump shotgun with no external safety whatsoever.  This option would demand leaving the shotgun in what is know as "cruiser safe" condition for immediate use.  Cruiser safe: Chamber empty and  hammer down with a loaded magazine.  :cool

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    Re: Compare and Contrast: Benelli M4/Remington 870/Mossberg 500
    « Reply #16 on: September 05, 2010, 12:43:03 am »
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    As for the Benelli, I can't wrap my head around paying as much for a scattergun as you could get a top notch rifle for.  Or a Jeep.

    I know, I know...but Benelli's advertisements are sooo good ;)

    Naaa, at the moment, the 870 is most appealing.  I just hope I can get one with a "stock thingy that goes up" so I can piss off all the anti-gun folks  ;D
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    Re: Compare and Contrast: Benelli M4/Remington 870/Mossberg 500
    « Reply #17 on: September 05, 2010, 01:53:14 pm »
    I know, I know...but Benelli's advertisements are sooo good ;)

    Naaa, at the moment, the 870 is most appealing.  I just hope I can get one with a "stock thingy that goes up" so I can piss off all the anti-gun folks  ;D

    "stock thingy that goes up"   ???    :hmm
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    Re: Compare and Contrast: Benelli M4/Remington 870/Mossberg 500
    « Reply #18 on: September 05, 2010, 02:10:46 pm »
    What about a Benelli Super Nova?  My favorite pistol grip on the market. Pump action so its on terms with the other two.

    I also love the sights on that thing.
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    Re: Compare and Contrast: Benelli M4/Remington 870/Mossberg 500
    « Reply #19 on: September 05, 2010, 03:23:40 pm »
    It is... not only that, it handles 2 3/4", 3", and 3 1/2" loads. 
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    Re: Compare and Contrast: Benelli M4/Remington 870/Mossberg 500
    « Reply #20 on: September 05, 2010, 11:19:13 pm »
    "stock thingy that goes up"   ???    :hmm


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