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Chinese combat shotgun
« on: April 18, 2011, 10:53:01 pm »


QBS-09 18.4mm shotgun.  Semiautomatic.  Note the collapsing stock.  Most western autoloading combat shotguns are derived from sporting designs and have a recoil tube in the stock.
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    Re: Chinese combat shotgun
    « Reply #1 on: April 18, 2011, 11:13:43 pm »
    Interesting the the bore is listed as 18.4mm. Standard 12 gauge is around 18.52mm.

    I wonder if this is just a rounding thing, or if the bore is deliberately slightly smaller than 12 gauge so that they can run civilian 12 gauge shotshells in a pinch, but not vice versa.
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    Re: Chinese combat shotgun
    « Reply #2 on: April 18, 2011, 11:31:09 pm »
    That's possible.  The blurb at the link says it can run normal "sporting" ammunition.  The shotgun shells in the picture seem to be solid-cased, possibly steel or green-anodized aluminum.
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    Re: Chinese combat shotgun
    « Reply #3 on: April 20, 2011, 02:25:07 am »
    It almost looks like a Beneiil M3 system clone with the recoil spring around the magazine tube.  It's possible they are measuring the bore diameter through the choke.  Anyone know the size of an improved cylinder/modified?
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    Re: Chinese combat shotgun
    « Reply #4 on: April 20, 2011, 09:15:08 am »
    Of course I want one.  Not that that'll ever be possible.
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    Re: Chinese combat shotgun
    « Reply #5 on: April 20, 2011, 11:05:55 am »
    Of course I want one.  Not that that'll ever be possible.

    Ditto. It really looks like the designer gave a flying duck. That it also looks badarse makes me tip my hat to him.
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    Re: Chinese combat shotgun
    « Reply #6 on: April 21, 2011, 01:54:30 pm »
    Uhm... That style stock is a recoil magnifier on the G3. I'm sure it will be super nice on a 12 gauge. :)

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    « Reply #7 on: April 21, 2011, 01:58:49 pm »
    Uhm... That style stock is a recoil magnifier on the G3. I'm sure it will be super nice on a 12 gauge. :)

    At least it's gas operated. Would be worse if it were a pump.
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    Re: Chinese combat shotgun
    « Reply #8 on: April 21, 2011, 03:13:29 pm »
    Uhm... That style stock is a recoil magnifier on the G3. I'm sure it will be super nice on a 12 gauge. :)

    I've found a way to perfectly replicate the recoil feeling from using that stock on a G3.  Get hit in the face with a sock full of setting concrete.  Say, 4-6 hours after pouring.  Not quite liquid, not quite solid yet. 

    It's actually impressive, I'd really like to know how they engineered it. 


    Re the shotgun, I'd really like to see how it shoots.  If it could be imported (if it's made by Norinco or most PRC state owned munitions corporations, it can't be due to sanctions), it'd at least be an interesting weapon.  The stock could probably be easily swapped out with an aftermarket.
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    Re: Chinese combat shotgun
    « Reply #9 on: May 11, 2011, 03:54:20 pm »
    That gun just doesn't look at that impressive.  It looks clumsy.
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    « Reply #10 on: May 11, 2011, 04:35:06 pm »
    Interesting the the bore is listed as 18.4mm. Standard 12 gauge is around 18.52mm.

    I wonder if this is just a rounding thing, or if the bore is deliberately slightly smaller than 12 gauge so that they can run civilian 12 gauge shotshells in a pinch, but not vice versa.
    I thought the same thing. Wasn't there a shotgun made by the Brits for use by police in the Colonies in some oddball chambering? 14 or 18 gauge IIRC? All so that weapons stolen or captured wouldn't be able to use commercial ammunition.

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    Re: Chinese combat shotgun
    « Reply #11 on: July 15, 2011, 10:46:32 am »
    Of course I want one.  Not that that'll ever be possible.

    Hang on, hang on.  It's possible that with the way things are going between us and the middle east, and knowing who China's likely to fall in with, well, many Americans may get their hands on some of these weapons in the near (hopefully not too near) future after seizing them from groups of Chicomm's in thier foxholes.
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    Re: Chinese combat shotgun
    « Reply #12 on: July 16, 2011, 12:46:42 am »
    In the meantime...I'm still waiting on the dang NeoStead 2000 here. Unless the BATFE steps in and drops the ban-hammer I'll just have to settle for the KSG.
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    « Reply #13 on: July 17, 2011, 09:09:17 pm »
    In the meantime...I'm still waiting on the dang NeoStead 2000 here. Unless the BATFE steps in and drops the ban-hammer I'll just have to settle for the KSG.
    I'd rather have the KSG.  It doesn't pump backwards like the Neostead.
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    « Reply #14 on: July 18, 2011, 02:57:14 pm »
    I thought the same thing. Wasn't there a shotgun made by the Brits for use by police in the Colonies in some oddball chambering? 14 or 18 gauge IIRC? All so that weapons stolen or captured wouldn't be able to use commercial ammunition.
    You're thinking of the Greener Prison Shotgun.   14 gauge.   For some time I had assumed it was because one couldn't fit in a 12 gauge.  Well a little looking and no, it was so standard 12 gauge couldn't be used.

     Anyways, cool shotgun, but eh....Chinese, we'll never get to see them.
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    « Reply #15 on: July 21, 2011, 11:59:23 pm »
    I'd rather have the KSG.  It doesn't pump backwards like the Neostead.

    Ah, but you see that's WHY I want the NeoStead 2000. I like the odd and unique. My Mateba was only the beginning. As soon as the supply of the Chiappa Rhino 6" models frees up, I'll order one of those too.

    ...or maybe I like guns that are just plain fugly? I dunno. I like the NeoStead.
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    Re: Chinese combat shotgun
    « Reply #16 on: February 01, 2013, 03:03:45 am »
    Thread Resurrect.  There's info on the QBS-09 from World.Guns.Ru:

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    The QBS 09 semi-automatic shotgun was developed between 2005 and 2009 by 208th Institute of China Ordnance Industry. In 2009 it was officially adopted by PLA for military use. It is also approved for use by PAP (People’s Armed Police).

    Standard ammunition for QBS 09 shotgun is steel-cased DBD09 18.4mm (12 gauge) anti-personnel round which is loaded with 14 pellets of high-density tungsten alloy buckshot set into plastic container. Each pellet is a tungsten alloy ball 5.3mm (~0.2“) in diameter, weighting 1.4 gram (~22 grains).  Muzzle velocity is listed at 420 m/s (1380 fps), with claimed effective range of up to 100 meters. QBS 09 shotgun also can fire most commercially available 12 gauge rounds, as well as low energy “less lethal” ammunition (with manual cycling).

    The QBS 09 semi-automatic shotgun is a gas-operated weapon. It uses more or less traditional annual gas piston, located around the magazine tube, below the barrel. Barrel locking is achieved by rotary bolt with dual locking lugs that engage barrel extension, relieving the receiver from most of the stress. Gas system is equipped with manual gas regulator, which has three positions – cut-off (for firing low energy less lethal ammunition, marked “0”), standard (marked “1”) and “harsh environment” (“2”) settings.  Aluminum alloy receiver is provided with corrosion resistant finish, barrel bore and bolt are chrome-lined. Feed is from fixed tubular magazine, located below the barrel, with capacity of 5 rounds. To ensure comfortable firing of high-impulse (Magnum-class) DBD09 ammunition, QBS09 shotgun is provided with spring-buffered retractable shoulder stock. Rifle-type iron sights with flip-up rear blade are marked for 50 and 100 meters. Top of receiver is equipped with proprietary scope rail, compatible with that of QBZ-95 family of rifles.


    Some Chinese engineer took the concerns about recoil under consideration and made the stock spring-loaded, like the Knoxx stock I guess.  I'd really be interested to see how it actually works.  It only holds 5+1, but its barrel is only 15" long, too.

    The Firearm Blog has a blurb about it: http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2011/04/26/chinas-qbs-09-semi-automatic-shotgun/







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    Re: Chinese combat shotgun
    « Reply #17 on: February 01, 2013, 09:43:08 am »
    1380 fps...that seems to be a pretty hot load for buckshot.

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