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Article: Shotgunner unintentionally shoots self in the leg
« on: July 13, 2019, 11:51:22 pm »
The Gruesome Truth About Getting Shot (a First-Hand Account)

Ran across this article, which is quite intense, about a 26 year old man who accidentally shot himself in the lower leg after running off a thief.    :(

Take a look:     

https://www.cracked.com/personal-experiences-1488-what-its-like-to-survive-point-blank-blast-from-shotgun.html

 

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    Re: Article: Shotgunner unintentionally shoots self in the leg
    « Reply #1 on: July 14, 2019, 03:10:19 am »
    This is why I try to learn from others mistakes.  Knock on wood. 

    Thanks for the link.  That x-ray is horrifying.
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    Re: Article: Shotgunner unintentionally shoots self in the leg
    « Reply #2 on: July 14, 2019, 04:42:24 pm »
    Agreed.  Still, after reading the rest of the story it strikes me that this guy is pretty much the prototypical doofus.  I'm glad he survived and glad he agreed to tell his story but good grief.   :facepalm
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    Re: Article: Shotgunner unintentionally shoots self in the leg
    « Reply #3 on: July 14, 2019, 05:31:54 pm »
    Yup. Basic safety fundamentals would have prevented this.

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    Re: Article: Shotgunner unintentionally shoots self in the leg
    « Reply #4 on: July 15, 2019, 12:55:54 am »
    Yup. Basic safety fundamentals would have prevented this.


    I think it also shows that while under stress, you go back to muscle memory.  Train those safety fundamentals until you do them automatically.
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    « Reply #5 on: July 15, 2019, 02:33:27 pm »
    I think it also shows that while under stress, you go back to muscle memory.  Train those safety fundamentals until you do them automatically.
    I think there's also something to be said about the priorities we have at a subconscious level.
    While the failure to follow all the rules of safe firearms handling set the stage for this what kicked the disaster into motion was him starting to loose his grip on his cell phone and trying to catch it while still having to hold the shotgun.  While his observation about not trying to catch a falling firearm is good advice it would have been far better if he's had his priorities straight and just let the phone fall to the floor and then pick it up while safely handling the shotgun.

    All of us have seen the results of this type of instinctive/subconscious screw up on priorities....it's the folks who wreck their cars to avoid spilling their coffee or soda, that sort of thing.  Way back when I remember reminding myself over and over that when driving that control of the vehicle was the first priority and trumped everything else, so I will in fact  let the hot coffee spill rather than jerk the wheel or take my eyes off the road.    That's carried over into just about everything else...firearms, power tools, anything that has  the potential to bite me or someone else if I loose focus on what I'm doing.     I'm sure most of you know what I mean.

    Anyway, somewhere in this guys head he obviously thinks of his phone as being more important  than handling his shotgun safely. 

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    Re: Article: Shotgunner unintentionally shoots self in the leg
    « Reply #6 on: July 15, 2019, 04:52:01 pm »
    Or maybe it was just the monkey part of his brain that grabs at falling items.
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    « Reply #7 on: July 15, 2019, 05:19:33 pm »
    I've heard before that if for whatever reason you drop your handgun, to never grab for it to try to catch it (due to one of your fingers snaking into the trigger guard by accident).

    In the same vein, if you drop your gun, catch or no catch?
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    Re: Article: Shotgunner unintentionally shoots self in the leg
    « Reply #8 on: July 15, 2019, 06:42:42 pm »
    I think we just had a pretty vivid case made for 'no catch'.

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    Re: Article: Shotgunner unintentionally shoots self in the leg
    « Reply #9 on: July 16, 2019, 02:48:22 pm »
    Don't try and catch falling objects, unless they are breakable.  I tried to catch a falling knife once.  No scar, but it hurt and bled.

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    Re: Article: Shotgunner unintentionally shoots self in the leg
    « Reply #10 on: July 16, 2019, 04:09:49 pm »
    Or maybe it was just the monkey part of his brain that grabs at falling items.
    Aren't we supposed to evolved enough to be able to override that monkey brain?

     ;)

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    Re: Article: Shotgunner unintentionally shoots self in the leg
    « Reply #11 on: July 16, 2019, 05:44:58 pm »

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    « Reply #12 on: July 16, 2019, 10:12:33 pm »

    :clap :clap
    I think you may be under the misconception that I'm overly concerned about this. 
    I was simply pointing out that knee-jerk reactions can result in bad outcomes.

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    Re: Article: Shotgunner unintentionally shoots self in the leg
    « Reply #13 on: July 17, 2019, 08:16:07 am »
    I'm glad you're amused, but I meant the gun...   :thumbup1

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    Re: Article: Shotgunner unintentionally shoots self in the leg
    « Reply #14 on: July 17, 2019, 03:53:46 pm »
    I'm glad you're amused, but I meant the gun...   :thumbup1
    :facepalm
     :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl

    I plead years of internet forum exposure :D

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    Re: Article: Shotgunner unintentionally shoots self in the leg
    « Reply #15 on: July 18, 2019, 12:20:44 am »
    Bolstering the case for not trying to catch a dropped shotgun - in this particular case a Mossberg 500:

    The Mossberg 500 series and all of its variants, have the hammer sear located at the base of the hammer.  A second hammer stop sear is also located forward of the main sear.  Its purpose is to prevent the hammer from striking the firing pin in the event of primary sear failure or other unintended release due to severe shock.

     
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    Re: Article: Shotgunner unintentionally shoots self in the leg
    « Reply #16 on: July 18, 2019, 12:45:37 am »
    According to the article this was a "clone" of the Mossberg 500 so it may or may not have been a faithful reproduction.   :hmm
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    Re: Article: Shotgunner unintentionally shoots self in the leg
    « Reply #17 on: July 18, 2019, 05:05:55 pm »
    After reading the article, and paying specific attention to the dumbass's description of himself and events, as well as considering his choice of weapon, it sounds like natural selection at work...

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    Re: Article: Shotgunner unintentionally shoots self in the leg
    « Reply #18 on: July 18, 2019, 09:02:58 pm »
    Revving up the search engine again.   Found a longer version with additional details.

    https://ryanjarcy.wordpress.com/2013/03/31/how-i-blew-off-a-leg-with-a-12-gauge-shotgun-part-one/

    The firearm involved was a WesternField* 550ABD equipped with a pistol grip.  This is one of the many Mossberg 500 shotguns made as "store brands" for department stores in the 1960s and later.

    *Western Field, sold by Montgomery Wards. 

    Here is a store brand conversion chart:

    http://proofhouse.com/cm/house_brand.htm

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    Re: Article: Shotgunner unintentionally shoots self in the leg
    « Reply #19 on: July 19, 2019, 04:45:12 pm »
    According to the article this was a "clone" of the Mossberg 500 so it may or may not have been a faithful reproduction.   :hmm

    Well, the Mossberg 500 hit the market in 1960 as a single action bar design.  In 1970, after Remington's patent on "dual action bars" ran out, Mossberg altered the design to incorporate two slide bars.  Other than that, variations chambered for the 3.5" 12 gauge, the 590 series with easy clean out magazine tubes, and the Maverick 88 crossbolt safety version and so on.

    So over time there have been some parts that don't interchange between variations.  However, to the best of my knowledge, the basic design of  a saftey stop on the internal hammer, (think of the saftey stop on the Series  80 Colt govt. mdl. hammer), has been a standard fixture in all Mossberg 500 variations. 

    This can be demonstrated on any of the 500 series, by opening the action a very small amount from the full hammer down position. The slight opening will just move the internal hammer back to the stop notch/safety sear position. If the action is then completely closed again, the hammer will fall a very short distance from the safety stop position when the trigger is pulled.

    I am not aware of any copies of the Mossberg 500 series being made by any other manufacturer.


     
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    Re: Article: Shotgunner unintentionally shoots self in the leg
    « Reply #20 on: July 20, 2019, 09:26:29 pm »
    Me either but I was reporting what was said in the article.   :shrug
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    Re: Article: Shotgunner unintentionally shoots self in the leg
    « Reply #21 on: September 23, 2019, 01:55:58 am »
    Me either but I was reporting what was said in the article.   :shrug

    I read it to mean one of the many "store brand" variants manufactured by Mossberg.  You are of course correct that the original article referenced did use the term "clone."
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