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My God it's Full of Stars
« on: January 17, 2015, 09:30:42 pm »
http://www.spacetelescope.org/images/heic1502a/zoomable/

Be sure to zoom in!

It's official... we're alone in the universe.  :P
« Last Edit: January 17, 2015, 10:05:29 pm by Matthew Mayner »
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    Re: My God it's Full of Stars
    « Reply #1 on: January 18, 2015, 09:29:54 am »
    Were you expecting a 3AU "Eat at Zapplebrox's" neon sign over Tau Ceti 3?

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    Re: My God it's Full of Stars
    « Reply #2 on: January 18, 2015, 01:18:49 pm »
    I dunno if we're alone per say. The universe is a big place. And hell, they're just realizing there may be two more planets in our own solar system that we haven't been able to spot yet.
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    Re: My God it's Full of Stars
    « Reply #3 on: January 18, 2015, 09:41:16 pm »
    You guys didn't get the sarcasm.  It's mathematically impossible for us to be alone in the universe.
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    Re: My God it's Full of Stars
    « Reply #4 on: January 18, 2015, 10:14:26 pm »
    You guys didn't get the sarcasm.  It's mathematically impossible for us to be alone in the universe.

    And I suppose some smart fellow can "prove" that with a white board full of equations, yeah?
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    Re: My God it's Full of Stars
    « Reply #5 on: January 18, 2015, 10:38:18 pm »
    The Drake equation? Wasn't really meant as a definitive "this is how many communicative cultures are out there" so much as a mechanism to get people talking about the probabilities.

    Personally, to quote a great book about the idea, I think "It'd be an awful waste of space."

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    Re: My God it's Full of Stars
    « Reply #6 on: January 19, 2015, 01:39:42 am »
    Didn't Bill Clinton point out " You're never really alone .   .   .  " ?   Oh wait, I don't think he was talking about the same thing . . .   :facepalm   
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    Re: My God it's Full of Stars
    « Reply #7 on: January 19, 2015, 02:38:54 am »
    If you go by mathematics, AND the universe is truly infinite. Then the logical conclusion emerges that somewhere in the universe exists another Earth EXACTLY like the one we live on WITH all the same people on it.

    If you roll a die an infinite number of times you get infinite 6s appearing.
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    Re: My God it's Full of Stars
    « Reply #8 on: January 19, 2015, 03:15:15 am »
    I, for one, am tired of my alternate nega-self lording his cowboy hat over me.
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    Re: My God it's Full of Stars
    « Reply #9 on: January 19, 2015, 09:50:35 am »
    If you go by mathematics, AND the universe is truly infinite. Then the logical conclusion emerges that somewhere in the universe exists another Earth EXACTLY like the one we live on WITH all the same people on it.

    If you roll a die an infinite number of times you get infinite 6s appearing.

    Right, which means in an infinite universe there are an infinite number of duplicate earths.

    Scientifically when we say universe, we either mean an un-observed hypothetical construct based usually on the big bang theory, or the observable universe, which isn't all of it.

    And, the above link takes you to a high res photo of the Andromeda galaxy, one of several hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe based on conservative estimates.
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    Re: My God it's Full of Stars
    « Reply #10 on: January 19, 2015, 08:12:49 pm »
    Let's see if I remember the math (courtesy of The Hitchhiker's Guide):

    There are an infinite number of unihabited worlds
    there are a finite number of inhabited worlds

    for any finite number, divided by an infinite number, the result is as close to zero as you can imagine;
    therefore, you are all just a figment of my opium fueled nightmare   :neener
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    Re: My God it's Full of Stars
    « Reply #11 on: January 19, 2015, 08:23:39 pm »
    I, for one, am tired of my alternate nega-self lording his cowboy hat over me.

    Goodness I love Futurama  :cool. Nice segue there, I approve   :thumbup1.
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    Re: My God it's Full of Stars
    « Reply #12 on: January 20, 2015, 01:09:07 am »
    Is there life? Maybe.  Probably. I refer you to this: http://www.hawking.org.uk/life-in-the-universe.html

    If you set religious views aside about how life came to be on this planet and just look at mathematical odds, you'd have to conclude that there is life out there...somewhere. But evolution favors survival above all, or in a nutshell, simply passing on your genes before you die. There may be planets full of life, but with no need for human level intelligence. This, I believe, is most likely. If you believe God made us and only us, we're alone. If you believe that our intelligence is an evolutionary statistical anomaly in the universe, we're still alone, or close enough.

    Parallel universes are a whole new ball game. Were I able, I would kill my multiverse selves and absorb their power.


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    Re: My God it's Full of Stars
    « Reply #13 on: January 20, 2015, 01:15:36 am »
    Even if there is life out there, the odds of us encountering a technological civilization akin to our own are very, very small.

    Think about it.  The Earth has been around for what, four and a half billion years?  Humans in our current form have only been around for maybe 30,000 years, and we've been technological for a couple hundred.

    Many stars are older than the Earth.  Many stars are younger, and new planets may still form.

    What are the odds of two civilizations developing concurrently within the same billion year span?  If we do encounter any life out there, it'll very likely be way behind us or way ahead of us.
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    « Reply #14 on: January 20, 2015, 05:22:31 am »
    There gets to be real issues with making contact with any other intelligent specie in the universe.

    The distance is absolutely massive, and would we even know if other specie were communicating.

    You can go back just a few hundred years, and human long range communication would zip right past each other never being recognized for what it was. That is only on OUR planet with our own specie. The caveman sending smoke signals, and the radio operator would not be even recognizing the signals from each other.

    I honestly think there are other intelligent beings out in the universe. My mind tells me a sad story that we may never find each other. 

     
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    Re: My God it's Full of Stars
    « Reply #15 on: January 20, 2015, 06:29:55 am »
    Note to self: get started on that "warp drive" thing...

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    « Reply #16 on: January 20, 2015, 08:56:19 am »
    Note to self: get started on that "warp drive" thing...

    Well we know how it works...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive
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    « Reply #17 on: January 20, 2015, 09:13:41 am »
    Quantum teleportation hold some promise for communication over huge distances. We have only tested them over 142 kilometers as I recall.  Still, they hold a great deal of promise.
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    « Reply #18 on: January 20, 2015, 10:04:52 am »
    There gets to be real issues with making contact with any other intelligent specie in the universe.

    The distance is absolutely massive, and would we even know if other specie were communicating.

    You can go back just a few hundred years, and human long range communication would zip right past each other never being recognized for what it was. That is only on OUR planet with our own specie. The caveman sending smoke signals, and the radio operator would not be even recognizing the signals fr

    I honestly think there are other intelligent beings out in the universe. My mind tells me a sad story that we may never find each other. 

     

    And then there's the issue of the cost/benefit analysis that another intelligent species would likely engage in before initiating contact with us. 
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    « Reply #20 on: January 20, 2015, 05:49:00 pm »
    Indeed.   :cool   From the collection of stories titled "Bears Discover Fire" by the same author.   
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    « Reply #21 on: January 20, 2015, 11:38:02 pm »
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    « Reply #22 on: January 21, 2015, 04:24:35 am »
    Quantum teleportation hold some promise for communication over huge distances. We have only tested them over 142 kilometers as I recall.  Still, they hold a great deal of promise.
    And Verizon will still cap your data plan.
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