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Android tablet suggestions?
« on: November 10, 2015, 04:42:07 pm »
I have two right now, Samsung 7" tab 2 or 3 and Google nexus 7. Samsung I used for two or three months to even see if I would use the thing. Then went to the nexus as it is much more capable. The screen on mine just randomly decides to go nuts, doesn't respond to touch but to any movement two inches above the screen. My wife's a couple months older is fine, but the frequency of this issue with mine is growing. When it happens I do a shut down and restart it is fine. At first it was related to temperature \ weather. Touch screens and rain will drive you bats___. Now no corrolations to anything I can identify. Sitting on the couch playing soduko, no respose in the middle of a puzzle, hit sleep wait 2 min back on no more issues. Any way I about tossed this thing in the wood burner a couple of times.  Anyone else have similar issues? Or know of a fix? Or a good relatively cheap replacement? Want to stay with a 7" size as it works best for me with travel and such.
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    Re: Android tablet suggestions?
    « Reply #1 on: November 10, 2015, 05:12:43 pm »
    Has the issue followed the Nexus 7 with the changes of the main software? I've got a Nexus 7 as well and never seen those issues, until recently I ran the stock software and kept it updated to the newest version. But with the most recent update I had such a huge slowdown that I actually ran it back all the way to the second release version they brought out and that solved the slowdown's enough for me to be happy using the device again.

    But with random issues like that I'd look at the software just in case it's some issue that cropped up from the updates, if it's followed updates it's very likely the digitizer. It looks like it's a separate assembly from the LCD which sometimes they are adhered together. But it should be a pretty easy swap or at least the ones in the past on other models I've done were. So if it's the digitizer I'd just go get another one and replace it. If it's this model(not sure there are two Nexus 7's and not sure what parts cross), it's only $10 on ebay for the digitizer.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Asus-Google-Nexus-7-Outer-Panel-Touch-Glass-Lens-Digitizer-Screen-Repair-Parts-/171056278006?hash=item27d3bfa9f6:g:pIAAAOxyk99R0MVj

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    « Reply #2 on: November 10, 2015, 05:36:50 pm »
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    « Reply #3 on: November 10, 2015, 06:18:16 pm »
    Funny you should ask.

    I am currently on a team at work that is evaluating the field for tablets for out supervisors.  The global purchase will be about 20K units.

    We are evaluating devices from Samsung, Dell, Lenovo, HP and Apple.  The Apple devices are (obviously) IOS, and the HP were all Windows.

    I really like the new Dell Venue 8 7000.  The only complaint I have with it is the buttons are on the left side, which is completely non-standard.

    I have also been impressed with the Lenovo Yoga devices.  I have used the 8", 10" and the huge 13" which has a built in projector.  I like the 8" the best, but the funny shape puts me off a bit, especially when I wanna just tuck it in my waste-band when going on the motorcycle.

    Early field reports favor the Lenovo Tab 2 A8-50F, citing better battery life and smoother operation than the samsung devices.

    I will comment that if security is a desired trait, Samsung is impossible to beat.  But, the specs on their devices lag behind others at the same price point.  However, better care and detail in their android implementation justifies the experience that George is having, despite the devices not stacking up as well on paper.  They are the most expensive android devices in our test pool

    If I were to pick one to keep, it would be the Dell.  The device sells on Amazon for $360. The device our field testers favor, the Lenovo tab 2 A8, can be had on Amazon for $109.99.  It feels bigger and clunkier to me, but the guys using it all day every day like it best.
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    « Reply #4 on: November 10, 2015, 06:38:34 pm »
    The Samsungs have been bulletproof for us.  They may cost more but they last.

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    « Reply #5 on: November 10, 2015, 07:23:43 pm »
    Papa Raptor picked up a Samsung tablet a few months ago. I don't remember the precise model, but he is extremely happy with it.
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    « Reply #6 on: November 10, 2015, 08:11:29 pm »
    Funny you should ask.

    I am currently on a team at work that is evaluating the field for tablets for out supervisors.  The global purchase will be about 20K units.
      :shocked Where do you work?  Walmart?  McDonalds?



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    « Reply #7 on: November 10, 2015, 08:35:31 pm »
    Another vote for the Galaxy tab.  I've had one since June and it's a great little device.  The battery life is impressive.
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    « Reply #8 on: November 10, 2015, 10:07:23 pm »
    Thanks for all the feedback.
    Luke I like my 3 lb hammer for electronics repair, it has reset written on the face. 
    How has charging been with the Samsung tablets? My issues with the old one was I had to replace the wall plug and the cord three times in the first 6 months. I think now at 2 years old it is on 6th charger. It sees limited use for entertaining the kiddo. I bought it with too little memory as I was not sure if I would even use it.
    When we lived in Bristol Bay either the wife or I spent 10 hours a month on airplanes for medical appointments for the kiddo. So all our regular coats have pockets sized for 7" tablets as you have no access to any luggage on those  small airplanes.
    I am going to keep looking for a solution as I have been quite happy with this tablet.
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    « Reply #9 on: November 11, 2015, 02:34:10 am »
    Yoga tab 3 8" is $170 on the Lenovo site....Tempting.  I was/am hoping for a software/cheap fix.  Need to replace my laptop sooner rather than later.  Spent my computer fund on a gun. :shrug 
    Thinking about going to a desktop for the first time since...Yes I have used and owned laptops primarily since 1994.  Really unsure of where to start on the desktop topic.
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    « Reply #10 on: November 12, 2015, 12:56:42 am »
    It seems i neglected to actually post the post i had typed up.

    look at windows tablets. Sadly the Surface line is too expensive, but look at the devices (like the transformer book by Asus) that have an Atom processor and at least 2gb of memory. Old Atoms sucked, the new ones don't. I picked up a bestbuy branded tablet used for $60 and everybody likes it. The transformer book is almost identical to ASUS' android transformer tablet physically, but runs a full version of windows, and costs around half as much. 20000 units may be hard to source though.

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    « Reply #11 on: November 12, 2015, 09:46:11 am »
    I have been using the Kindle tablets for me and my kids for the last several years.  For what I use it for, internet, Netflix, Facebook and email its more than fine.  I currently have the HDX which is great.  All my tablets get used pretty much all day everyday.  I can use it for about 7 hours of watching video, much longer if reading a book.  (Being on light duty at work SUCKS).  I have only had to warranty one Kindle out of 7 that my family has.

    The biggest complaint anyone has is that you have to download everything off of Amazon.  (Googleplay will not work either)  Well IF I need an app that Amazon doesn't have I just sideload it.  I have several apps that if you listen to the "experts" they say you cannot load on it.  I even have the "NOOK" app on my kindle so I have access to my Wife's library of several hundred books.  I really think that new Kindle's are very underrated for most users
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    « Reply #12 on: November 12, 2015, 06:20:40 pm »
    The new kindles have the play store working already. There is a lot to be said for them at the pricepoint they are at.

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    « Reply #13 on: November 12, 2015, 08:20:42 pm »
    I didn't know the new ones had the play store now.  My HDX is almost 2 years old and is "last gen" tech.
    Yes I live in California.  Please dont hold that against me.

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    « Reply #14 on: November 13, 2015, 02:11:15 am »
    Well it isn't what you'd call official support...  :whistle

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    « Reply #15 on: November 13, 2015, 11:24:23 am »
    Just did update to Marshmallow, so kinda waiting to see ff it changes anything.
    Have looked at windows tablets a little, but might wait until after Christmas to deal this thing.
    We have guy coming today to find out if we can get off phone based internet.
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    « Reply #16 on: November 28, 2015, 02:31:41 pm »
    Issues with the touch screen have reduced in frequency with the newest update, but ran in to some PITA charging issues while on Thanksgiving trip. So ended the trip by buying a Lenovo Yoga 3, and a HP tower. So next week will be learn win 10. 
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    « Reply #17 on: November 29, 2015, 12:48:53 am »
    If you liked windows 7 and/or tolerated 8 you will breeze through 10. Just bear in mind... 10 is full of "telemetry" most of which is just tracking everything you do and how you do it.

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    « Reply #18 on: November 29, 2015, 01:18:41 pm »
    I liked XP, I tolerate 7, hate 8. Actually never used 8 except when I borrowed my wife's computer. If Microsoft wants to track me on the 25 sites I visit they are welcome. Except for my online banking, I would let anyone look at my history with out embarsment.

    That said if I get adds, then that will motivate me to do something about it.
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    « Reply #19 on: November 30, 2015, 03:21:11 pm »
    Not Ads per se. You will have Apps like "Get MS Office" or "Get Skype" pinned to your start menu, but that is easy enough to Right click and tell it to uninstall.

    If you are a *nix sort of person you can even install and remove the store apps via command line now. Have to use powershell instead of the command prompt, but it is a step in the right direction. 10 is lighter on resources than 7, and less pastel colored puke all over the screen than 8 was. It really feels like the best of each.

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    « Reply #20 on: December 31, 2015, 05:57:08 pm »
    I have had the Yoga 3 8" for about 2 weeks at this point, so a few observations.  The shape is different, but I am getting used to it and it is a non issue to me.  It is really thin, except for the battery/camera side which is sort of like a handle.  It will rotate around, and my dad, who is left handed, did not have any issues using it though it does put the volume and power controls on the down side.   My wife does not like the shape and hand feel at all, she will likely go with something else when her Nexus dies.  The screen clarity and brightness is fantastic, it is the best screen I have seen on a tablet.  Battery life is good, but not as advertised.  I do not get 22 hours unless I am doing non video stuff.  Games and you tube suck battery, but it is still twice the battery life of the Nexus even when it was new.  I do like and use the built in kickstand quite a bit and really like that feature, but wish it would work in the vertical as well as horizontal orientations.  I don't like the layout of mail and a few other apps in horizontal as they add a side bar that reduces the size of screen you are trying to read vs the vertical lay out. 

    Bad:  The new Android operating system sucks bad.  Don't remember the version, but it is the newest, had it on my old tablet, wife has it, and it is on the Yoga3, and avoid it if you can.  Laggy and slow.  It will slow your device down by a factor of two.  This is very frustrating for everyday operations and really really sucks when playing games.  Touches don't register for up to a second, then respond.  For me this is mainly when opening apps, but randomly occurs while trying to do things in the apps.  I am going to research getting rid of a lot of the Goggle bloatware, I don't use most of their apps and don't want to use them as I have bought apps through Amazon that will transfer to new devices, so why buy again from Goggle.  Also I have media in other apps that that I know, so why learn a new app to do the same things.   The only other issue I have with the Yoga 3 is that it is so new that there are not many accessories for it out yet.  Not many choices in cases, or screen protectors yet.  As far as I have seen Lenovo is the main place to buy these on-line.  Amazon does not, or did not, have the three yet. 

    I bought my Yoga on the Saturday after Thanksgiving from Lenovo's web site.  Relatively decent price, about $40 more than the 2 version off of Amazon, about $165/170 shipped to AK.  They apparently where slammed with Black Friday orders, and it did not ship until the 14th of Dec.  I received weekly updates on the estimated ship dates and only thought about canceling the order twice.  (I stall and dilly dally making up my mind on things, but once I do I want it NOW.)  I am undecided on whether or not I would buy it again, right now I would avoid Android and go with Windows, but I am not sure if that would be any better.  Most of my discontent is with the operating system, not the Tablet.

     
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    « Reply #21 on: December 31, 2015, 09:40:28 pm »
    The trouble with the new OS is likely the RAM, reading the specs it's got a quad core CPU but only 1gb of RAM which with most 5.0+ version Android OS's is awfully light. I know on my Nexus 7, my old phone and several other Android devices I've got around that are 1gb RAM devices it chugs pretty badly, requires a fair amount of fiddling with root just to be able to kill enough stuff to make it run well. Only suggestion other than trying to get root so you can remove some things is kill tasks after running them, and if possible don't run Facebook or Facebook messenger, both are very resource intensive and will bring anything 1gb with new Android to it's knee's more often than not. In those cases I do Facebook via browser, or Facebook Lite, but it doesn't work as well on a tablet as it does on a phone.

    I will say though the new Android I dig it if you've got the specs to run it properly, my new phone has 2gb of ram and a quad core and it runs pretty dang good. I wish I had 3gb because I'm sure whatever the next version of Android will require more, but overall right now it's very snappy and keeps up with everything well. Enough so that since I started running it, I've been using both of my tablets less because plainly they don't run nearly as well. But that said battery life, and signal strength isn't nearly as good as the Motorola it replaced, so likely it will be short lived because of that. I'll probably end up picking up a new Motorola and hoping that they still have some voodoo in their antenna tech to give me just enough signal despite most of the newer phones running the same chipset.

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    « Reply #22 on: January 03, 2016, 04:39:03 pm »
    Email Lenovo support.  I will say they seem eager to excel in this space.  Your feedback will help them possibly correct the issue in a future OS release.
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    « Reply #23 on: January 03, 2016, 05:00:21 pm »
    I dumped Facebook and Messenger, messenger only added for family contacts, after reading Luke's comment and having Face book fail to open for a day.  Fixed most of the laggy touch issues.  Did not go entirely away, but seems to have lessened, also I put a bunch of Goggle apps back in "factory settings".  I will do some research and see if Goggle will allow the user to remove them.  I hate that Goggle is trying to control who can sell apps to use with it's OS.  (Amazon is an untrustworthy source for apps)   I laugh when I see people b____ about Windows/or Apple controls, and then praise Android.    No real loss except I was trying to limit laptop use, going to tablet and desktop.  This tablet will not do this for me. 

    Email Lenovo support.  I will say they seem eager to excel in this space.  Your feedback will help them possibly correct the issue in a future OS release.

    It's on me.  I impulse bought.  I am thinking about cutting and pasting my comments/review to Lenovo, with an added comment about device needing more ram.  I should have done more research on OP systems and where they are going, and the limits of the Yoga.  Should not be that hard to shove in more ram...I wonder if any one is making expansion ram that could go in the SD slot?
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    « Reply #24 on: January 03, 2016, 05:09:51 pm »
    I don't think the SD slot is fast enough to be of help here.

    On the OS it's really google, and android while tied at the hip Android is still apart from google itself. So you can install Android without gapps and it will completely have no google apps installed, that's the source so to speak. But the only way to remove the apps installed in the flash initially is to get root access then use something like Titanium Backup(even the free edition) and remove those apps through there. If you factory reset they will come back.

    On the ram unfortunately it's going to be a bit of a struggle, as Apps are getting so dang resource hungry it's much like Windows in that sense, RAM is king when it comes to performance on dang near everything. I'd rather have more ram than a faster chip most everytime since very few things drag an OS to the ground compared to paging from your storage;)

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