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Title: When will the firearms industry get off its laurels and...
Post by: RMc on October 29, 2019, 01:55:11 pm
...introduce something really new?   :hmm

Like an upscaled M1 Carbine clone chambered for the Winchester 350 Legend!  This would be a really "heavy" new rifle - like one pound more than the original M1 Carbine.

Naturally the new improved 350 M1 Carbine would have to come equiped with a folding polymer stock, picatinny rail and directed-sound flash hider.  :doh

Magpul could become a major player in the industry after designing some really heavy duty 15 and 30 round P-Mags for the next generation of ultra powerful M1 Carbines!  :o

Wow,  :whistle  think of all the bulk FMJ 350 Legend ammo sales volume required just to feed the potentially millions of new 350 caliber M1 Carbines!    :cool

Man! This could become the Best Li'l Hog Gun in Dixie!   :clap


What "really new" guns would you like to see?     :coffee
Title: Re: When will the firearms industry get off its laurels and...
Post by: wyatt on October 29, 2019, 02:20:26 pm
Good luck with that! I'm still waiting for my lightsaber. 
Title: Re: When will the firearms industry get off its laurels and...
Post by: RMc on October 29, 2019, 02:26:09 pm
Good luck with that! I'm still waiting for my lightsaber. 

Stranger things have happened - like Mossberg introducing a subcompact 380 pocket pistol that can be disassembled without pulling the trigger.
Title: Re: When will the firearms industry get off its laurels and...
Post by: ksuguy on October 29, 2019, 03:05:49 pm
I still want a modern CZ75 pistol in 7.62x25.
Title: Re: When will the firearms industry get off its laurels and...
Post by: LowKey on October 29, 2019, 04:42:07 pm
I still want a modern CZ75 pistol in 7.62x25.
Apparently it's been done as a one-off.

EAA WITNESS CUSTOM 7.62X25 TOKAREV BARREL

HERE IS A CUSTOM BARREL I HAD MADE FOR AN EAA WITNESS IN 7.62X25 TOKAREV. IT IS PRETTY COOL TO HAVE A MODERN HI CAP PISTOL IN TORAKEV - SHOULD FIT ALL WITNESS FULL SIZE MODELS,BUT YOU WILL NEED A .38 SUPER UPPER & MAGS. the gunsmith made this turning down a new Tokarev barrel into a sleeve he then bored a new EAA barrel to match and pressed them together. he made a step in the chamber area, press fit and then pinned them so there is zero chance the sleeve will ever come out. between the 2 barrels and the smith it cost well over $200 THE TOK ROUNDS ARE ABOUT .030 TOO LONG FOR THE .38 SUPER MAGS- you can either press the bullets a little deeper into the cases or shave the tips off the bullets making flat points or even hollow points
Title: Re: When will the firearms industry get off its laurels and...
Post by: MTK20 on October 29, 2019, 04:59:42 pm
I'm not that fancy. I just want multiple revolvers with 3 inch barrels, 6 or 7 round capacity, and round butt compact grips. I also want it to come standard with night sites and a good trigger pull. Chambered in .357 magnum in K or L frame size. I also want options of deep blue, stainless steel, and even scandium.
Title: Re: When will the firearms industry get off its laurels and...
Post by: lesptr on October 29, 2019, 05:06:04 pm
I'm not that fancy. I just want multiple revolvers with 3 inch barrels, 6 or 7 round capacity, and round butt compact grips. I also want it to come standard with night sites and a good trigger pull. Chambered in .357 magnum in K or L frame size. I also want options of deep blue, stainless steel, and even scandium.
We want the same things.
World peace is probably more realistic.
Title: Re: When will the firearms industry get off its laurels and...
Post by: LowKey on October 29, 2019, 08:25:11 pm
We want the same things.
World peace is probably more realistic.
What's the smallest pistol, able to fire 4-8 rounds rounds,  you could come up with that would fit up a sleeve in a caliber suitable  for defensive use at ranges of 0-10 yards.
Title: Re: When will the firearms industry get off its laurels and...
Post by: lesptr on October 29, 2019, 08:30:40 pm
What's the smallest pistol, able to fire 4-8 rounds rounds,  you could come up with that would fit up a sleeve in a caliber suitable  for defensive use at ranges of 0-10 yards.

When forced to go to wife’s semi formal work events, I normally slip a naa .22 mag Pug in my pocket. Sometimes a Kahr 380.  Unlike others, I’m not able to dress around a Glock 19, not even a 43 or shield. So, I’m open to suggestions.
Title: Re: When will the firearms industry get off its laurels and...
Post by: Langenator on October 29, 2019, 08:54:27 pm
I still want a CZ-97B in 10mm.

I know, some guy did one as a conversion.  I want a production model from CZ.
Title: Re: When will the firearms industry get off its laurels and...
Post by: RMc on October 30, 2019, 02:13:31 am
What about the next generation of ultra powerful M1 Carbines!
Title: Re: When will the firearms industry get off its laurels and...
Post by: MTK20 on October 30, 2019, 02:25:55 am
We want the same things.
World peace is probably more realistic.

 :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: When will the firearms industry get off its laurels and...
Post by: booksmart on October 30, 2019, 09:06:36 am
I still want a CZ-97B in 10mm.

I know, some guy did one as a conversion.  I want a production model from CZ.

Tanfoglio Witness isn't close enough?

http://eaacorp.com/guns/handguns/witness-steel-full-size-tanfoglio-52 (http://eaacorp.com/guns/handguns/witness-steel-full-size-tanfoglio-52)
Title: Re: When will the firearms industry get off its laurels and...
Post by: Plebian on October 30, 2019, 10:28:53 am
I just want a 10mm S&W M&P. I know there is a Glock available, but I was hoping for someone else to make a striker 10mm polymer pistol.
Title: Re: When will the firearms industry get off its laurels and...
Post by: sqlbullet on October 30, 2019, 10:36:28 am
No love for the XDm 10mm?
Title: Re: When will the firearms industry get off its laurels and...
Post by: Mikee5star on October 30, 2019, 10:59:22 am
...introduce something really new?   :hmm

What "really new" guns would you like to see?     :coffee

Until we have a tech break though, ammo or battery are most likely, there will be nothing "Really New".

I want all guns, but lack the funds to support the "daring" currently out there.  I don't remember foreseeing any innovation, it is always a surprise to me.  I am okay with that.



Title: Re: When will the firearms industry get off its laurels and...
Post by: ksuguy on October 30, 2019, 11:44:08 am
It would be nice to see a semi-auto belt fed that didn't cost a fortune.   Every once in awhile someone makes one,  but then the MSRP is something like $6,000.   
Title: Re: When will the firearms industry get off its laurels and...
Post by: MTK20 on October 30, 2019, 12:15:17 pm
It would be nice to see a semi-auto belt fed that didn't cost a fortune.   Every once in awhile someone makes one,  but then the MSRP is something like $6,000.

 :thumbup1

Agreed. I need a Browning 1919 in 30-06 for the hogs  >:D .
Title: Re: When will the firearms industry get off its laurels and...
Post by: ksuguy on October 30, 2019, 12:23:01 pm
Yeah I even have some belts for one of those already.   CMP had the ammo cheap a few years back, so I bought a couple cans.   
Title: Re: When will the firearms industry get off its laurels and...
Post by: Plebian on October 30, 2019, 03:28:27 pm
No love for the XDm 10mm?

Dislike the XDm completely. It just fits my hand wrong, and the triggers are almost always mushy.
Title: Re: When will the firearms industry get off its laurels and...
Post by: LowKey on October 30, 2019, 03:38:51 pm
Here's something I'd love to see.
A simple to use (i.e. plug and play) CNC set up which could machine something in the 12x12 inch range by just sticking in an SD card with the appropriate file.
Not an "80%" whatever.  Something that could start with a block of metal 12x12 and turn out the receiver/frame  without much fuss.

Shouldn't need to be able to turn out hundreds or thousands in a short period of time,  just enough to supply a family with long guns and pistols of their choice  from now until the end of time.
Title: Re: When will the firearms industry get off its laurels and...
Post by: ksuguy on October 30, 2019, 03:58:31 pm
That would be nice.  I think some CNC machines can do some of that stuff, but they are expensive and require stuff like 3 phase power hookups.
Title: Re: When will the firearms industry get off its laurels and...
Post by: lesptr on October 30, 2019, 05:00:52 pm
Dislike the XDm completely. It just fits my hand wrong, and the triggers are almost always mushy.
Talk about mushy triggers, I have a a new Sig P365 and it has the worst damn trigger I’ve ever had. I don’t know why people gush over it. I’ve never experienced so much creep ever. I know mine is an example of one but damn. 
Title: Re: When will the firearms industry get off its laurels and...
Post by: Raptor on October 30, 2019, 08:24:09 pm
I want my freakin' reintroduced Bren Ten already!!!!

Good luck with that! I'm still waiting for my lightsaber. 

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You were saying?  :P
Title: Re: When will the firearms industry get off its laurels and...
Post by: Langenator on October 30, 2019, 09:23:10 pm
Phased plasma laser, 40 watt range.
Title: Re: When will the firearms industry get off its laurels and...
Post by: Mikee5star on October 30, 2019, 11:56:16 pm
Talk about mushy triggers, I have a a new Sig P365 and it has the worst damn trigger I’ve ever had. I don’t know why people gush over it. I’ve never experienced so much creep ever. I know mine is an example of one but damn. 

Really?  Send it back to SIG.  Something is out of spec.  Mine is almost 1911 crisp and that is something of a selling point for SIG. 
Title: Re: When will the firearms industry get off its laurels and...
Post by: LowKey on October 31, 2019, 01:33:23 am
That would be nice.  I think some CNC machines can do some of that stuff, but they are expensive and require stuff like 3 phase power hookups.
The the industrial CNC set up are spendy.
I'm thinking something the size of a medium chest freezer, costing around $4000, where you stick in an SD card with the files for the item you want and press the button, able to work on steel as well as Aluminum. Either 110 or 220 volts.     Doesn't have to be fast, it would be a hobbyist set up. 
Heck, with a library of files it would be useful for machining non-firearm parts.

Closest I've seen to this is a Grizzly Mill with an aftermarket CNC kit.

Title: Re: When will the firearms industry get off its laurels and...
Post by: coelacanth on October 31, 2019, 01:59:00 am
https://www.sherline.com
Title: Re: When will the firearms industry get off its laurels and...
Post by: LowKey on October 31, 2019, 01:12:15 pm
https://www.sherline.com
Thank you VERY much, kind sir.
That is precisely the sort of thing I was thinking about. 

Bookmarked pending funds.

Title: Re: When will the firearms industry get off its laurels and...
Post by: coelacanth on October 31, 2019, 01:14:11 pm
Amazing what you find just kicking around the interwebs.    :whistle    Glad to be of assistance.   :cool
Title: Re: When will the firearms industry get off its laurels and...
Post by: ksuguy on October 31, 2019, 02:50:24 pm
Interesting.  I will have to look for some YouTube videos on it.   Having the ability to take a hunk of metal, push a button, and then have it spit out a pistol frame, AR lower, etc. In a day or so would be great.   It would be useful for other small parts too.   

I thought about looking for some used CNC stuff around here since there is a ton of it available with the aircraft industry here in town, but it's really too much for the average home user.   This might provide something to fill that niche.
Title: Re: When will the firearms industry get off its laurels and...
Post by: LowKey on October 31, 2019, 03:28:18 pm
Precisely my thoughts.
When I was looking around their site I noticed they have CNC lathes as well, sold separately to in a package deal with the CNC mill. With both I think a person would be able to make their own barrels as well if needed. Obviously not going to be match grade, or chrome lined, but it would still be cool to be able to do it all "in house".

As for the "other small parts" I'm thinking that might be a lovely ability for people who collect old machinery, or for people for whom a drive to the store is 4 or more hours round trip.

Interesting.  I will have to look for some YouTube videos on it.   Having the ability to take a hunk of metal, push a button, and then have it spit out a pistol frame, AR lower, etc. In a day or so would be great.   It would be useful for other small parts too.   

I thought about looking for some used CNC stuff around here since there is a ton of it available with the aircraft industry here in town, but it's really too much for the average home user.   This might provide something to fill that niche.
Title: Re: When will the firearms industry get off its laurels and...
Post by: ksuguy on October 31, 2019, 05:18:14 pm
I'm thinking more like fire control groups.  For example DSA is always out of stock on various small FAL parts.   

Title: Re: When will the firearms industry get off its laurels and...
Post by: kunkmiester on October 31, 2019, 08:41:12 pm
Sherline lathes are too small to bore barrels easily.

You can only go so far on those blocks until you have to flip it for a second operation.  Then you have to deal with fixturing that's different for every part you make, even if it's just soft vise jaws.

Machining will always be a fairly specialized skill.  What you want is 3d printing in metal to get down to the consumer range.
Title: Re: When will the firearms industry get off its laurels and...
Post by: RMc on October 31, 2019, 08:53:14 pm
:thumbup1

Agreed. I need a Browning 1919 in 30-06 for the hogs  >:D .

Dream, dream, dream...

https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/46/1841/tnw-1919a7-rifle-30-06
Title: Re: When will the firearms industry get off its laurels and...
Post by: MTK20 on October 31, 2019, 09:41:41 pm
Dream, dream, dream...

https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/46/1841/tnw-1919a7-rifle-30-06

:drool
Title: Re: When will the firearms industry get off its laurels and...
Post by: coelacanth on October 31, 2019, 09:49:48 pm
My neighbor owned one of those back in the day.   He was torn between doing a pintle mount in the back end of the Dodge or installing it in the previously decorative cupola on top of the house.  I think the idea was to be able to repel boarders while wearing the "IF IT AIN"T BELT FED IT AIN"T SH*T",  t-shirt and sipping adult beverages.  :whistle   He also had a sizeable stock of belted ammo for it.  He passed away a couple of years back and rumor has it his widow lost it in a boating accident on the way to a family reunion.   :cool
Title: Re: When will the firearms industry get off its laurels and...
Post by: sqlbullet on November 01, 2019, 10:05:35 am
3-phase isn't that bad as long as you don't need to drive over a 5 HP motor.  VFD's are great!
Title: Re: When will the firearms industry get off its laurels and...
Post by: LowKey on November 01, 2019, 10:31:55 am
Huh.
I'd figured they should at least be able to do pistol barrels.
Sherline lathes are too small to bore barrels easily.

You can only go so far on those blocks until you have to flip it for a second operation.  Then you have to deal with fixturing that's different for every part you make, even if it's just soft vise jaws.

Machining will always be a fairly specialized skill.  What you want is 3d printing in metal to get down to the consumer range.
Title: Re: When will the firearms industry get off its laurels and...
Post by: kunkmiester on November 01, 2019, 10:00:45 pm
You have a half inch spindle bore, and need to get a drill/reamer/bar through the whole thing, so you need enough space to hold the barrel and the tool.

The work can't hang out too far, I suppose you could get six inches out of it.  The website says you have 17" between centers, loose a few inches for the slide, split in half and give yourself some clearance, and six is the max, assuming the hang out doesn't kill you.
Title: Re: When will the firearms industry get off its laurels and...
Post by: LowKey on November 01, 2019, 10:20:38 pm
Ok, and thank you.
What would be the smallest set up you would advice for making pistol and perhaps rifle barrels.
 
You have a half inch spindle bore, and need to get a drill/reamer/bar through the whole thing, so you need enough space to hold the barrel and the tool.

The work can't hang out too far, I suppose you could get six inches out of it.  The website says you have 17" between centers, loose a few inches for the slide, split in half and give yourself some clearance, and six is the max, assuming the hang out doesn't kill you.
Title: Re: When will the firearms industry get off its laurels and...
Post by: kunkmiester on November 01, 2019, 11:08:40 pm
A three or four inch barrel might come off one easily enough.

Look at keeping hangout less than three times the length, and you need the tool past the tool post/turret the full depth you're running it, probably the full length if you're making the bore all at once (best way to avoid issues).

Sherline could work for a four inch barrel, if it can hold tolerance, for rifles you need at least 20 inches of travel probably.  A bigger lathe though will have a bigger spindle bore so you can seat the part deeper, and some will have a second chuck on the back to support the back end.

You need what, an inch at least for a barrel?  Most lathes will have that or more.  For a 20" barrel you probably need a 30" between centers lathe.  I think they standardize about that size anyway, you'd end up with 24" or 32" or something like that.  Might end up with a 40" too.

Keep in mind a lathe won't do rifling.
Title: Re: When will the firearms industry get off its laurels and...
Post by: coelacanth on November 03, 2019, 12:51:28 am
True, but you could do a nice little smooth bore .  .  .   :cool
Title: Re: When will the firearms industry get off its laurels and...
Post by: LowKey on November 03, 2019, 07:44:59 pm
True, but you could do a nice little smooth bore .  .  .   :cool
I think you could do a serviceable job of rifling a barrel with a button and hydraulic press.
Not anywhere near match grade, but for a pistol target within 50-100 yards?

I think Mark Serbu posted a video on this a few years back.