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Re: What would you do? First time rifle build...
« Reply #25 on: July 11, 2019, 11:22:50 pm »
Stock arrived today, so ask and ye shall receive:



Obviously, I haven't shot it yet, but here are my first impressions...

The inlet is perfect. The action dropped in, no rubbing, no filing, no looseness. 5 minutes after I opened the shipping box, I had a complete rifle.  The action feels like it's in there tight*.

The springs on the adjustable LOP and cheek riser are *stout* (understandably). I feel like I have a reasonable amount of adjustment in both of them.

The overall design of the stock is very modern, very sleek, very angular... which is partially what I wanted. BUT: I do not like the grip.  There's a ridge that feels like it could get uncomfortable under the right thumb, and the front of the grip is perfectly flat - you end up gripping the stock with your palm and your fingertips, and not your entire hand. I'm going to check Boyd's website, see if there are additional pads to get, as they look like they're supposed to be swappable.  The forearm is - again - all angles, and neither uncomfortable nor comfortable.

That being said, the finish feels very good, very durable, and (like I said above) the inlet routing is spot on.

Now, I just have to decide how to mount the glass I have for it (Nikon 4-12x40 BDC). I have Weaver mounts with see-through base (a little redundant as there are no iron sights), and I also have a rail (but no rings, at the moment - easily fixable).

*IF I keep the stock, I'll still bed it, no worries.  If I don't keep it, at least I can find out exactly what LOP to order, for a custom fit.

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    Re: What would you do? First time rifle build...
    « Reply #26 on: July 12, 2019, 01:41:56 am »
    Nice looking stock.   :thumbup1   
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    Re: What would you do? First time rifle build...
    « Reply #27 on: July 12, 2019, 10:14:19 am »
    One more thing I forgot to mention... the stock is nice & light.  While the action is pretty heavy (owing a lot to the barrel contour, no doubt), I'm thinking ordering the 1" recoil pad along with the overmolded grip is not a bad idea.  :whistle

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    Re: What would you do? First time rifle build...
    « Reply #28 on: July 12, 2019, 10:01:22 pm »
    That is sexy.
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    Re: What would you do? First time rifle build...
    « Reply #29 on: July 24, 2019, 10:51:32 am »
    How it looks with the new accessories on... (thicker recoil pad, new grip panels, and new forearm pad)...



    I'm happy with the recoil pad and the forearm pad... still not quite happy with the grip panels...

    Here's why :

    Single screw attachment, like this...



    leads to this...



    I think it'd work better if there wore two screws holding the grip panels on, and a slight overlap/lip (maybe even snap together spots) between the two panels, to protect against pinch.  It does fill the hand a little better, but I'm still not 100% sold on it.  Thinking of what I can do to tweak it.

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    Re: What would you do? First time rifle build...
    « Reply #30 on: July 24, 2019, 11:12:36 am »
    Over all, looks damn good.  I personally am not sure about the grip at all.  It looks a bit awkward, but that could just be optical illusion.

    I wonder if you could use a Chicago screw countersunk on both sides down near the heal of the grip to suck it together.
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    Re: What would you do? First time rifle build...
    « Reply #31 on: July 25, 2019, 09:58:11 am »
    Over all, looks damn good.  I personally am not sure about the grip at all.  It looks a bit awkward, but that could just be optical illusion.

    I wonder if you could use a Chicago screw countersunk on both sides down near the heal of the grip to suck it together.

    There's nothing internal to support it.  I'd have to build it up with something.  And yeah, it's not the most comfortable.

    It's a pretty new model. I'm seriously considering writing a thorough evaluation and sending it to Boyd, recommending a different approach to the grip. The unfortunate part is that, since it's all molded plastic, it'd cost them a pretty penny to redo the molding, and they're not likely to do it unless they get a *LOT* of complaints.

    Which leads me to a question: Howa 1500 & Weatherby Vanguard... same critter, right?  I haven't been able to find a photo of the two inlets side by side, to visually compare them, but I've seen more than a few stocks (including Boyd) where they're listed as compatible, but Boyd's website only lets you choose between three models on the Howa 1500 bull profile, while it lets you choose between a lot more on the Weatherby Vanguard bull profile... I wonder if that's due to licensing restrictions, since Boyd makes some stocks for Howa?

    I ask because there's a Pro Varmint stock that I'd probably swap out for... it looks much more comfortable (I would probably go for walnut, or the pepper laminate).


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    Re: What would you do? First time rifle build...
    « Reply #32 on: July 25, 2019, 03:46:06 pm »
    Might not be too expensive to simply modify the existing mold if the fix is minor.   Can you tell what is causing the gap in the fit on the grip?  Is it simply a matter of improperly formed pieces or is there something on the laminated part of the stock that is physically holding them apart?  Perhaps some judicious trimming of material might yield satisfactory results.   :hmm

    I think the actions between Howa 1500 and Weatherby are identical.  There may be some variation in barrel contours between the two but I don't know for sure.  If the action is completely free floated there should be one or more of the Weatherby specific stocks that would fit your rifle.
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    Re: What would you do? First time rifle build...
    « Reply #33 on: July 25, 2019, 04:53:51 pm »
    There is an indexing divot in the stock, with a corresponding key in the grip panel. The screw in the ^2nd picture^ is in the center of that key - it's about 1-1/2" long, about a 1/2" wide, and runs parallel to the front surface of the stock grip surface.

    I've tried backing off that screw, to see if I had overtightened it (thereby causing the sides to flare), but I didn't see any noticeable difference.

    I could probably shave a little off the supporting surfaces of the stock, but I'm leery of making changes to something I'm only ~90% sold on - it'd make it a lot harder to sell it off if I decide to move to another stock.

    I found this article earlier this month (I bought the action last year - mine's a 20" barrel); this is why I think licensing may be involved in why I can't order a Varmint stock:

    http://www.snipercentral.com/howa-supreme-varminter/

    'Cuz I'm not gonna lie - I'd be happy with what's in the pic.

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    Re: What would you do? First time rifle build...
    « Reply #34 on: July 25, 2019, 05:03:28 pm »
    Well, if its a nit-picky problem at best then maybe its best left alone.  Assuming Boyd's doesn't offer you any satisfactory solution for the funky looking fit. 

    You might want to check with some gun smiths in your area to see if any of them have experience fitting the stock you want to the action you have.  At the very least they should be able to tell you definitively whether or not what you want to do is possible or advisable. 
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    Re: What would you do? First time rifle build...
    « Reply #35 on: July 25, 2019, 06:34:23 pm »
    To be honest, I was thinking of trying to brush on PlastiDip...

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    Re: What would you do? First time rifle build...
    « Reply #36 on: July 25, 2019, 07:07:29 pm »
    In the time honored tradition of make-up artists everywhere .  .  .   :rotfl    Go for it man.   :cool
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    Re: What would you do? First time rifle build...
    « Reply #37 on: July 26, 2019, 01:20:20 am »
    There's nothing internal to support it.  I'd have to build it up with something.  And yeah, it's not the most comfortable.

    Beauty of a chicago screw is that it is mostly self supporting.  Just kind of squeezes things.  The suggestion about countersinking it was to get the head of the screw and the nut flush with the grip.  I tried to find an image, but I am tired tonight and the interwebs are fighting me.


    Which leads me to a question: Howa 1500 & Weatherby Vanguard... same critter, right?  I haven't been able to find a photo of the two inlets side by side, to visually compare them, but I've seen more than a few stocks (including Boyd) where they're listed as compatible, but Boyd's website only lets you choose between three models on the Howa 1500 bull profile, while it lets you choose between a lot more on the Weatherby Vanguard bull profile... I wonder if that's due to licensing restrictions, since Boyd makes some stocks for Howa?

    I ask because there's a Pro Varmint stock that I'd probably swap out for... it looks much more comfortable (I would probably go for walnut, or the pepper laminate).



    I don't know about the Weatherby/Howa model question.  But that Pro Varmint stock looks very nice as well.
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    Re: What would you do? First time rifle build...
    « Reply #38 on: July 26, 2019, 08:20:53 am »
    In the time honored tradition of make-up artists everywhere .  .  .   :rotfl    Go for it man.   :cool

    A run of grip tape would probably do just as well, if I'm going to be completely honest. It just needs to cover the gap, keep moisture and dirt from getting in and trapped inside.

    I was just hoping for a more... elegant solution, I guess.

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    « Reply #39 on: July 26, 2019, 11:20:32 am »
    I was just hoping for a more... elegant solution, I guess.

    Yupper.  I get that.  You don't want to buy gear and then have to bubba it. 

    Unfortunately I don't have one.   Contacting Boyd's might be the best solution.  Send them a pic and ask if that is the way it is supposed to be.
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    Re: What would you do? First time rifle build...
    « Reply #40 on: August 04, 2019, 10:54:26 am »
    Range report:

    The action is nice & smooth.

    The trigger breaks *very* clean. There is noooo creep.

    On the whole, the action is *very* accurate - multiple shots were overlapping, even though we were following 'break it in' protocol (shoot one, cool, clean, wash rinse repeat 10x, shoot two cool clean, wash rinse repeat for 10 shots... still have to do the last bit of 3 shots, cool, clean (ran out of time before dinner)).

    Still not 100% sold on the stock.  The angular aspect of the grip makes it a little awkward to hold, and rubs a bit, particularly with that sling attachment right where the heel of my thumb ends up.

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    Re: What would you do? First time rifle build...
    « Reply #41 on: August 04, 2019, 01:39:01 pm »
    And now you know why Weatherby has relied on Howa actions for their Vanguard series rifles for so long.  Hope you get the stock issues worked out to your satisfaction. 
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    Re: What would you do? First time rifle build...
    « Reply #42 on: August 04, 2019, 02:35:47 pm »
    And now you know why Weatherby has relied on Howa actions for their Vanguard series rifles for so long.

    Yeah - if you see a deal on a Howa action and are hesitant - don't be.  The friend who was shooting with me was very impressed with the accuracy and the trigger.

    Hope you get the stock issues worked out to your satisfaction. 

    So do I.  :-\

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    Re: What would you do? First time rifle build...
    « Reply #43 on: October 08, 2019, 04:35:19 pm »
    OK.  You got us all interested in this project of yours and its been a couple of months since the last update so now I'm nudging you a little to remind you that we are still interested in whether or how the stock issues got resolved.  Or didn't.  At your convenience, of course.   :coffee
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    Re: What would you do? First time rifle build...
    « Reply #44 on: October 09, 2019, 10:06:17 am »
    I decided I'm going to try that original walnut stock, but I have to back burner it for a bit.

    I'm going to wrap the barrel in some thick, glossy paper (parchment paper, photo paper off a roll, etc.) to protect it while I use sanding strips to widen the channel in the stock to profile, with the action loosely mounted.  If all goes to plan, the barrel will eventually drop into place, with enough space to float the barrel.

    But I don't have a place to set it up in my vice at the moment. Basement renovations.

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    « Reply #45 on: October 09, 2019, 12:14:19 pm »
    Got it.  Thanks.   :thumbup1     
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    Re: What would you do? First time rifle build...
    « Reply #46 on: October 09, 2019, 04:48:00 pm »
    Got it.  Thanks.   :thumbup1     

    No problem. Thanks for checking in.  :thumbup1

    If anyone has other suggestions about how to accomplish it, I'm all ears.

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    « Reply #47 on: October 09, 2019, 11:20:12 pm »
    I'm interested in how you plan to sand the barrel channel of the fore end of the stock while the barreled action is still in place - even loosely.   :hmm
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    Re: What would you do? First time rifle build...
    « Reply #48 on: October 10, 2019, 08:25:04 am »
    Pass a 2-3" wide strip of sandpaper, rough side outward, underneath the barrel, pulling back and forth, slowly progressing the length of the barrel.

    Think of shining a shoe while it's inverted.

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    Re: What would you do? First time rifle build...
    « Reply #49 on: October 11, 2019, 02:31:25 am »
     :hmm  That's a new one on me but hey, if it works .  .  .   :shrug   
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