Author Topic: Weird One--Ruger 10/22 Take-Down or Kel-Tec Sub2000 (Read 10988 times)

drofnas · « **on:** January 16, 2013, 06:54:29 pm »

Greetings Folks.

I am looking to add one more carbine/rifle/firearm. The goal is to have another TEOTWAWKI gun. Something that is very portable, easy to get into action, common ammo, easy to shoot. My thought is for something that my wife or even 10 year old could shoot if need be. (Neither of which are that into shooting. They understand the goal, but not "excited" about it.)

I have a Kel-Tec Sub 2000 that takes Glock 17 9mm mags already. I actually love it. I have a Glock 17 with extra mags already. The Sub2k is made to take the same mags. Maybe another?

I have really been focused on the Ruger 10/22 takedown. Calling shops weekly to see if they have one in. I have 4-25 round mags on back order with Midway and Brownells.

Both 9mm and 22 are very common ammo. 22 is obviously cheaper. 9mm is obviously the better defense round, especially out of a 16 inch barrel. Both are plenty accurate for close-in work. Both can easily be set up for a red-dot or scope. Both are very portable. (Folding or take-down.)

This is a tough one for me and I keep going back and forth. I just ran through one of the local shops. It appeared they may have had the Sub 2k in. They were slammed and I was in a hurry. (Could be gone now.)

What say you?

(I already have a great AR, and handguns. This is more for other family members if need be.)

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mwcoleburn · « **Reply #1 on:** January 16, 2013, 07:07:54 pm »

The takedown is a gimmick at best, I really see no reason to have one, if you already have a 10-22. The Sub 2000 are really hard to come by and an excellent gun.

onesmack4u · « **Reply #2 on:** January 16, 2013, 07:46:26 pm »

I have a 10/22 takedown. It works as well as any other 10/22 that I have shot. It is a good solution to taking a .22 with you when you have limited space ( camper, truck toolbox, boat). It is not a fighting rifle and is not nearly as powerful as the Kel Tec, but the quality of manufacture is much better and the Ruger will continue to work for many years to come.

GaBoy45 · « **Reply #3 on:** January 16, 2013, 08:15:13 pm »

Not gonna lie, I think the .22 would be the best one for you to add. A big majority of the people I've taken to the range with no firearm experience whatsoever, have taken to the .22 rifle the easiest. It doesn't recoil and it builds confidence. And, at least before all this craziness, .22 ammo can be picked up pretty cheap and its easy to stockpile.

StevenTing · « **Reply #4 on:** January 16, 2013, 08:22:55 pm »

I'd go the takedown route. I see them all the time here in Utah. Priced between 300 and 330. It's multipurpose in that it could be used for "hunting" and plinking without much sacrifice of ammo.

ArfinGreebly · « **Reply #5 on:** January 16, 2013, 08:33:07 pm »

Permit me to muddy the water a little.

Add to your take-down candidates the Marlin Papoose. I have one in stainless. Default mag is 7 rounds, but the Marlin 795 mags (10 rounds) are plug compatible. Very light. Comes with water-tight, floating carry bag. Built in rail, accepts optic. Chambered in .22 LR.

If you happen to stumble across an old Marlin 39A lever gun (.22 LR take-down), the "Mounty" version was a little shorter and would fit nicely in a backpack.

In the not-really-a-takedown class, there's always the Kel-Tec SU-16B. This one is chambered in 5.56 NATO and is a folding carbine that's lighter than just about anything else in the class. Because it folds, it's backpack friendly. It's also STANAG/AR-15 magazine compatible, and though it ships with two 10-rounders, it has no trouble with 20 and 30 round mags.

I have two of the SU-16A, which has a slightly longer barrel with red/orange hi-vis front sight. I chose that because I prefer a longer sight radius, but if portability were more important, the SU-16B would be my pick. Mine have crisp triggers and will eat anything, even crap reloads.

The SU-16 series meets your "very portable, easy to get into action, common ammo" criterion. Even more "portable" is the SU-16C, which uses a different folding stock which leaves the trigger group engaged, thus it will actually fire when folded (the A and B models won't, the trigger group is disengaged when folded).

So, Marlin Papoose and Kel-Tec Su-16 series should go on your check-it-out list.

drofnas · « **Reply #6 on:** January 16, 2013, 08:45:16 pm »

Quote from: ArfinGreebly on January 16, 2013, 08:33:07 pm

Permit me to muddy the water a little.

Add to your take-down candidates the Marlin Papoose. I have one in stainless. Default mag is 7 rounds, but the Marlin 795 mags (10 rounds) are plug compatible. Very light. Comes with water-tight, floating carry bag. Built in rail, accepts optic. Chambered in .22 LR.

If you happen to stumble across an old Marlin 39A lever gun (.22 LR take-down), the "Mounty" version was a little shorter and would fit nicely in a backpack.

In the not-really-a-takedown class, there's always the Kel-Tec SU-16B. This one is chambered in 5.56 NATO and is a folding carbine that's lighter than just about anything else in the class. Because it folds, it's backpack friendly. It's also STANAG/AR-15 magazine compatible, and though it ships with two 10-rounders, it has no trouble with 20 and 30 round mags.

I have two of the SU-16A, which has a slightly longer barrel with red/orange hi-vis front sight. I chose that because I prefer a longer sight radius, but if portability were more important, the SU-16B would be my pick. Mine have crisp triggers and will eat anything, even crap reloads.

The SU-16 series meets your "very portable, easy to get into action, common ammo" criterion. Even more "portable" is the SU-16C, which uses a different folding stock which leaves the trigger group engaged, thus it will actually fire when folded (the A and B models won't, the trigger group is disengaged when folded).

So, Marlin Papoose and Kel-Tec Su-16 series should go on your check-it-out list.

Now THIS Makes it so much easier!!

Good options here too. This makes a less than easy question, less easy.

onesmack4u · « **Reply #7 on:** January 16, 2013, 08:45:48 pm »

The papoose is no longer in production.

ArfinGreebly · « **Reply #8 on:** January 16, 2013, 09:04:29 pm »

Quote from: onesmack4u on January 16, 2013, 08:45:48 pm

The papoose is no longer in production.

Oh.

Crap.

I need another one for the Jeep.

Sumbich. Now I gotta shop used.

THE NORSEMAN · « **Reply #9 on:** January 16, 2013, 09:16:49 pm »

All of the above are good suggestions and good info. BUT- I say the papoose or the 10-22. I've played with them all e few times, and I find the other options besides the Marlins or the 10-22 suspect in the durability department. If it's a survival kinda situation, I don't want a broken gun........

That's my opinion anyway. Worth what you paid for it. I will note that I have spent the money to own both Marlins and several 10-22s however. So my opinion was strong enough I put money on it.

onesmack4u · « **Reply #10 on:** January 16, 2013, 09:26:17 pm »

I looked at the papoose. The Ruger definately has the advantage when it comes to magazines. It is also stainless and easier to find. They have a threaded version out now as well.

drofnas · « **Reply #11 on:** January 17, 2013, 08:24:39 pm »

UGGH!! Missed the Ruger 10/22 at Gander Mountain today by a couple of hours!

I have been calling them weekly. (apparently weakly?) I called yesterday. They said they expected a shipment in "Thursday, Friday or Saturday. Not sure which. Not sure what will be in it." I called this afternoon. They got one, and it was already sold.

I will keep calling.

(I would rather buy from a mom and pop place, but they just don't get enough volume. I keep calling and they keep telling me they haven't seen anything from Ruger for weeks.)

It looks the Ruger is the winner. I have a Sub2k and love it, but for the flexibility and cheap ammo for the 22, it is a winner. Although not easy to find, the Takedown is still easier to find than the Papoose since it's no longer made. I also prefer the mag options of the 10/22. I am also not sure about the fore-end of the Papoose. What would you hold onto?

Fingers crossed!!

schapm · « **Reply #12 on:** January 17, 2013, 08:31:25 pm »

So what is the draw of the take down model for you? I ask because it seems to me that if this rifle will be fulfilling any kind of defensive role, you might be better off getting a standard one and adding a folding stock. Sure, it's a bit less compact, but it's a ton faster to deploy. And I have to figure a standard 10/22 might be a lot easier to come by.

onesmack4u · « **Reply #13 on:** January 17, 2013, 08:40:56 pm »

You may also want to look at the 10/22 compact. It has a 16 inch barrel and a shorter than nlrmal stock. It is the size of a youth rifle.

THE NORSEMAN · « **Reply #14 on:** January 22, 2013, 01:30:00 am »

That folding stock idea is a valid option. The ex-wife's 10-22 has a Butler Creek folder and it's topped with a millet red dot. Very handle little rifle. Wish it was mine.....

hi-power · « **Reply #15 on:** January 23, 2013, 09:45:20 pm »

i frequently think i want a takedown .22

every time i put some thought into it and come to the conclusion that a .22 handgun has it beat in terms of compact storage, carry-ability, and speed into action and a standard gun with a folding stock has it beat on being an actual rifle and speed into action.

the niche on a compact takedown is just too narrow

ArfinGreebly · « **Reply #16 on:** January 24, 2013, 05:56:25 pm »

Quote from: hi-power on January 23, 2013, 09:45:20 pm

i frequently think i want a takedown .22

every time i put some thought into it and come to the conclusion that a .22 handgun has it beat in terms of compact storage, carry-ability, and speed into action and a standard gun with a folding stock has it beat on being an actual rifle and speed into action.

the niche on a compact takedown is just too narrow

My takedown .22 rifle lives in the truck.

If I should ever need to use it, I won't be trying to beat someone to the draw, I'll be trying to improvise a rabbit stew.

If there's a fan and some sewage involved, it's light enough to lug in the hand or a makeshift sling.

Not as handy as a pistol, but in most cases I'm thinking there will already be a pistol handy.

drofnas · « **Reply #17 on:** February 08, 2013, 06:53:00 pm »

AT LAST!!!!!!!

I've been hounding the local gun shops and watching Armslist.com in my local area like a freak for almost two months now. Finally found a 10/22 take-down and bought it today. Got it from an industrious capitalist buying and reselling. I paid more than I should have, but also got an extra 10 rounder, a Ruger 25 rounder, along with a 525 round box of ammo. All of this is unfindable near me right now.

Off to the range this week.

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