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Using Steel cased rounds in SKS and AKs
« on: December 31, 2010, 11:01:08 am »
One of the posts, either here or in USCCA had a comment about shooting steel cased ammo and the fact that it wears out barrels. The ammo I have was purchased about 10 years ago. Question is- will using this ammo seriously affect my barrels. Since that time, I am loading brass cases with copper jacketed bullets but still have 600+ rounds of old ammo. I have used it for practice and plinking. Also am looking for the best pricing on Crimson Trace Lasers. Any help will be appreciated. By the way, Happy New Year to all. :shrug

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    Re: Using Steel cased rounds in SKS and AKs
    « Reply #1 on: December 31, 2010, 11:11:53 am »
    The steel case itself will not affect the barrel but the chamber.  The case should not extend into the rifled part of the barrel past the throat.  And of all the weapons that I would think would not be subject to any concern in this matter, the AK and SKS are on top of the list.  Most of that steel ammo was probably made in Russian plants for russian weapons...I think you will be fine...just clean for copper fouling like you would for any other copper jacketed round and you should be fine...have fun shooting...

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    Re: Using Steel cased rounds in SKS and AKs
    « Reply #2 on: December 31, 2010, 11:16:45 am »
    Yeah, Russian guns should be fine with Russian ammo, after all.  ;)

    The only milsurp ammo that I aware that wears out barrels is cordite loaded .303 (like the Mk.VIII round, heck I think even the Mk.VII).  This is due to the way this specific propellant burns.
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    Re: Using Steel cased rounds in SKS and AKs
    « Reply #3 on: December 31, 2010, 11:38:32 am »
    You should be fine using steel cased in an AK or SKS.   I usually avoid it in things like AR's or pistols though.   
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    Re: Using Steel cased rounds in SKS and AKs
    « Reply #4 on: December 31, 2010, 12:41:23 pm »
    In my AK I don't fire anything but steel Case.  In an AR, its not designed for it and I wouldn't risk the fouling.  But for FALS, Ceteme's, etc?  :shrug
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    Re: Using Steel cased rounds in SKS and AKs
    « Reply #5 on: December 31, 2010, 02:34:31 pm »
    It's not the weapon that's designed for steel cases per se, but the round does or does not lend itself well to the use of steel.

    Brass is more elastic than steel.  As such, when a brass round is fired and expands under pressure, it mostly returns to its original shape.  Steel isn't as elastic, so under pressure it expands and stays that way.  This creates a problem for rounds that do not taper very much as they kind of wedge into the chamber. 

    In a 5.56 the case expands, stays expanded, wears on the chamber as it's being dragged out, and can stick.  This would be the same for 7.62x51 (.308) or any mostly straight-walled case.

    If you look at a 7.62x39 in comparison, you'll see that the taper is considerably sharper.  That being that case, it is more easily extracted, produces less wear on the chamber, and is unlikely to become stuck.

    Basically, it's the round, not the weapon.  So in any weapon that is chambered in 7.62x39, be it an AR, SKS, AK, whatever, you'll be fine with steel.


    Beyond that, the case material isn't relevant as it never comes into contact with the barrel (as has been point out already).


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    Re: Using Steel cased rounds in SKS and AKs
    « Reply #6 on: December 31, 2010, 03:03:53 pm »
    Thanks for the input. I will keep loading my brass cases (7.62x39) for varmint shooting and use the steel for letting off steam. Haha. In the future, any loaded ammo for my guns will be re loadable brass as I have the equipment to do so. Anyone know where I can get some once fired 7.62x39 brass at a reasonable price? Thanks again. :clap

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    Re: Using Steel cased rounds in SKS and AKs
    « Reply #7 on: January 01, 2011, 09:20:31 pm »
    T steered you right on the case taper thing hrswhsprr, but I'm curious-
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    I will keep loading my brass cases (7.62x39) for varmint shooting and use the steel for letting off steam.


    Do you have a bolt action 7.62X39?  If not, I'm curious as to the why on the brass cased ammo, as every semi I have, and most I've seen in the caliber, mangle brass cases pretty well during  ejection.  To the point I'd be very nervous about reloading them.
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