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Title: Ruger PC Carbine
Post by: lesptr on December 28, 2017, 07:29:27 pm
I just received an email from Ruger touting their new offering. I have to say I am interested. It ships from the factory with a magwell that accepts Glock magazines.

What say you?

https://ruger.com/products/pcCarbine/models.html


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Title: Re: Ruger PC Carbine
Post by: Gundoc on December 28, 2017, 07:44:11 pm
Ruger rarely impresses me. This isn't one of those times.

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Title: Re: Ruger PC Carbine
Post by: MTK20 on December 28, 2017, 07:47:22 pm
I'm interested, but I miss the Marlin Camp Carbine. That thing was way cooler  :cool .
Title: Re: Ruger PC Carbine
Post by: RMc on December 28, 2017, 08:25:28 pm
Well it seems Ruger is on a roll with a suppressor ready PC Carbine that takes Ruger or Glock magazines and is a takedown model on top of that.  Considering the cost of AR based PC carbines, Ruger may just have a winner - providing it is reliable, accurate and "affordable." 

Now if this comes with a low profile take-down case... :hmm
Title: Re: Ruger PC Carbine
Post by: aikorob on December 29, 2017, 07:49:14 am
meh..............
I've got parts commonality from the AR platform; and more rounds
30rd Colt mags for 9mm
30rd GG mags for .45
(somebody needs to make a lower for Makarov magazines)

the take down feature is appealing..............but not enough to buy on its own

Title: Re: Ruger PC Carbine
Post by: Grant on December 29, 2017, 08:28:45 am
  I'm interested.

I'll end up buying one.

I have a 9mm AR pistol with a 7" barrel.  It's awesome.

But a full size 9mm carbine calls for me too  :cool

One thing I wonder is the muzzle threads say 1/2X28......The HUUUUUGE majority of 9mm brakes are 1/2X36......so you dont interchange a .223 diameter hole when you need at least .355......

Title: Re: Ruger PC Carbine
Post by: lesptr on December 29, 2017, 08:58:08 am
I wasn’t aware the threads for most brakes are .5x36.
I was happy to see the .5x28, my suppressor will fit nicely.

The more I look at it, the more I want it.
Title: Re: Ruger PC Carbine
Post by: GeorgeHill on December 29, 2017, 10:35:38 am
I dig it.  I'm going to get one.
Title: Re: Ruger PC Carbine
Post by: ksuguy on December 29, 2017, 02:27:44 pm
It is interesting, but I would have to see what the actual street price is.
Title: Re: Ruger PC Carbine
Post by: MTK20 on December 29, 2017, 02:40:25 pm
This gun oddly reminds me of the SU-16 series by Keltec.

https://www.keltecweapons.com/rifles/su-16a/

I always thought they were cool, cos the C model could fold up.
Title: Re: Ruger PC Carbine
Post by: goatroper on December 29, 2017, 10:40:07 pm
Gunblast just reviewed it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbmb4AIl2sM

Article is here:

http://gunblast.com/Ruger-PCCarbine.htm
Title: Re: Ruger PC Carbine
Post by: scarville on December 30, 2017, 03:20:59 pm
I have a PC-9 which doesn't really impress me. It is an OK carbine: Reasonably accurate and "handy" but heavier than it looks because of the heavy bolt.  The P85 magazines are a little hard to find though I have enough to hold off a small zombie horde :).  There is a lot of room for improvement but I like the idea of a reasonably priced 9mm carbine so I'll wait a bit and see how well Ruger addressed some of the shortcomings.

I second the assessment above of the Marlin Camp Carbine.  I don't own one -- more is the pity -- but the ones I have shot were much better than the PC9.  Maybe this will prompt Marlin to bring it back.
Title: Re: Ruger PC Carbine
Post by: Mississippi556 on January 10, 2018, 05:55:38 pm
I like their handguns, especially the .22LR target Mark series (Mine is a Mark II Target) and like their little 10/22.  But beyond that . . . not much of a fan.

I'm leaning toward something like the CHIAPPA FIREARMS M1-9 CARBINE 9MM.   I just love the M1 Carbine.  My dad carried one in WWII (he was one of the original Seabees) on Okinawa.

But it seems that the Chiappa has some serious quality control issues.  Maybe someone else has an M1 Carbine clone in 9mm?

9mm seems like a much better choice than .30 Carbine as far as modern rounds are concerned.  Just not hot for the Ruger.
Title: Re: Ruger PC Carbine
Post by: MTK20 on January 10, 2018, 06:28:03 pm
I like their handguns, especially the .22LR target Mark series (Mine is a Mark II Target) and like their little 10/22.  But beyond that . . . not much of a fan.

I'm leaning toward something like the CHIAPPA FIREARMS M1-9 CARBINE 9MM.   I just love the M1 Carbine.  My dad carried one in WWII (he was one of the original Seabees) on Okinawa.

But it seems that the Chiappa has some serious quality control issues.  Maybe someone else has an M1 Carbine clone in 9mm?

9mm seems like a much better choice than .30 Carbine as far as modern rounds are concerned.  Just not hot for the Ruger.

Understandable. Does anyone even carry the Ruger American Pistol of theirs?

I have been curious about some of their bolt guns, and of course their revolvers are the cream of the crop, but other than that?  :shrug

I considered getting the Chiappa M1 carbine, but just never got around to picking one up.
Title: Re: Ruger PC Carbine
Post by: Brandon on January 11, 2018, 11:52:25 am
 22plinkster has a video on it now
https://youtu.be/gooz-sXA6fw
Title: Re: Ruger PC Carbine
Post by: GeorgeHill on January 12, 2018, 12:15:12 pm
Understandable. Does anyone even carry the Ruger American Pistol of theirs?
I REALLY like the Ruger American pistol.  They hit a smash homerun on it.  And sales of it did really well for about 2 weeks.  And then MAC did a Video that had him b____ing about the beavertail being uncomfortable in his hand or some s___, and all the sudden sales just fluffing slammed to a stop, and then everyone complained that the frame hurt their hand.  Well, let me tell you... I shot the hell out of it, and I never had a problem with the gun.  The gun shot VERY WELL, very comfortable... But MAC fluffed over Ruger on this one.  It's a great gun.
https://youtu.be/u_oBEQzRkcg
Title: Re: Ruger PC Carbine
Post by: MTK20 on January 12, 2018, 02:23:10 pm
I REALLY like the Ruger American pistol.  They hit a smash homerun on it.  And sales of it did really well for about 2 weeks.  And then MAC did a Video that had him b____ing about the beavertail being uncomfortable in his hand or some s___, and all the sudden sales just fluffing slammed to a stop, and then everyone complained that the frame hurt their hand.  Well, let me tell you... I shot the hell out of it, and I never had a problem with the gun.  The gun shot VERY WELL, very comfortable... But MAC fluffed over Ruger on this one.  It's a great gun.
https://youtu.be/u_oBEQzRkcg

That's a shame to hear. I knew it had all the workings of a good handgun, I just never heard anyone talk about it  :shrug .
Title: Re: Ruger PC Carbine
Post by: booksmart on January 12, 2018, 03:28:07 pm
I like their handguns, especially the .22LR target Mark series (Mine is a Mark II Target) and like their little 10/22.  But beyond that . . . not much of a fan.

I'm leaning toward something like the CHIAPPA FIREARMS M1-9 CARBINE 9MM.   I just love the M1 Carbine.  My dad carried one in WWII (he was one of the original Seabees) on Okinawa.

But it seems that the Chiappa has some serious quality control issues.  Maybe someone else has an M1 Carbine clone in 9mm?

*perks up* Eh? *engages in a little light googling* Hmmm. Wood furniture... looks nice... uses Beretta 92/98 magazines... me likey...
Title: Re: Ruger PC Carbine
Post by: GeorgeHill on January 12, 2018, 03:47:01 pm
That's a shame to hear. I knew it had all the workings of a good handgun, I just never heard anyone talk about it  :shrug .
It is a shame.  Because it's a dang good pistol that deserves better.  But the Gun Industry is so fickle.  Great guns get passed up for lesser hardware all because of popularity and Gun-Celeb Endorsement on YouTube.  Last time I checked, there was a Turkish Made Clone that was becoming rather popular, and they are now going for more than these Ruger Americans... And people are buying the Turkish gun.  And then Crying about replacement parts when they break.
 :shrug
Title: Re: Ruger PC Carbine
Post by: MTK20 on January 12, 2018, 05:00:42 pm
It is a shame.  Because it's a dang good pistol that deserves better.  But the Gun Industry is so fickle.  Great guns get passed up for lesser hardware all because of popularity and Gun-Celeb Endorsement on YouTube.  Last time I checked, there was a Turkish Made Clone that was becoming rather popular, and they are now going for more than these Ruger Americans... And people are buying the Turkish gun.  And then Crying about replacement parts when they break.
 :shrug

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Smh.
Title: Re: Ruger PC Carbine
Post by: Kaso on January 12, 2018, 07:35:32 pm
I REALLY like the Ruger American pistol.  They hit a smash homerun on it.  And sales of it did really well for about 2 weeks.  And then MAC did a Video that had him b____ing about the beavertail being uncomfortable in his hand or some s___, and all the sudden sales just fluffing slammed to a stop, and then everyone complained that the frame hurt their hand.  Well, let me tell you... I shot the hell out of it, and I never had a problem with the gun.  The gun shot VERY WELL, very comfortable... But MAC fluffed over Ruger on this one.  It's a great gun.
I recall someone (probably you) mentioning this back when it was released.  While you may have liked it, I can see how others might not.  Let's be honest here, the whole geometry is a bit off.  It could have been done better.  I have never watched that 'MAC' video, (or really, more than a handful of his other ones, ever), but before I ever handled one, I could see where there might be an issue.  Just by looking at pictures of it, you can see.  Not for everyone, maybe not for me as I've never fired one.  Not for you.  But some guys are going to have trouble with it.
Title: Re: Ruger PC Carbine
Post by: GeorgeHill on January 12, 2018, 08:32:30 pm
I know guys that had shot the gun with no issues... but after the MAC video, all the sudden it didn't work for them.  They are MAC Acolytes and wont like any gun unless MAC likes it.  The whole Gun Industry is like that - everyone's got their Go To Reviewers on YouTube. 
Other industries are the same though...
Title: Re: Ruger PC Carbine
Post by: lesptr on January 12, 2018, 08:35:38 pm
Fortunately for me, Mad Ogre is my go to.


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Title: Re: Ruger PC Carbine
Post by: cpaspr on January 12, 2018, 08:42:10 pm
Pleading ignorance here.  Who is MAC?   :shrug
Title: Re: Ruger PC Carbine
Post by: Mikee5star on January 12, 2018, 09:32:40 pm
I wish I was in a position to buy one, that looks like it has lots of nice features.  I like PCC to accompany a pistol.  We have two lever guns that meet that criteria currently, a Rossi 92 in .357, and a Marlin in .44.  They are both lots of fun to shoot.

I really like the fact that it comes with a mag well for both the Ruger American mags, as well as for Glock mags.  I have lots of 9mm Glock mags including several of the so called G 18 mags, as well as a couple of the Mag-Pul 21 round mags.

If I had bought a new nine mm, the top contenders were the Ruger American in 9, and the CZ75.  Ruger probably would have won based on price and local availability.  When I handled it I really liked the way it felt in my hand.
Title: Re: Ruger PC Carbine
Post by: Kaso on January 19, 2018, 07:25:18 pm
I know guys that had shot the gun with no issues... but after the MAC video, all the sudden it didn't work for them.  They are MAC Acolytes and wont like any gun unless MAC likes it.  The whole Gun Industry is like that - everyone's got their Go To Reviewers on YouTube. 
Other industries are the same though...
This is not a new phenomenon.  I was reading The Book of Five Rings, written by Musashi Miyamoto in the mid-17th century, and came across the following passage:

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You should not have a favorite weapon.  To become over-familiar with one weapon is as much a fault as not knowing it sufficiently well.  You should not copy others, but use weapons which you can handle properly.  It is bad for commanders instructors and troopers students to have likes and dislikes.

I am sure that every strategist since the concept of 'war' was invented, could have reported something similar, as well.
Title: Re: Ruger PC Carbine
Post by: lesptr on May 11, 2018, 05:25:14 pm
I just completed a 1000 round test using various factory and reloads (115, 124, and 147 gn), all suppressed, without cleaning. I had one failure to feed at around the 700 round mark, which I believe was due to rearward pressure applied to the magazine while using a range bag as a rest. 
Magazines used were Glock, KCI, Magpul, and ETS.
This carbine is just plain fun.
My wife really liked it as well.
I plan to use this as a dedicated truck gun, and I need 2 more.

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Title: Re: Ruger PC Carbine
Post by: coelacanth on May 11, 2018, 05:46:18 pm
Thanks for the update.   :thumbup1   
Title: Re: Ruger PC Carbine
Post by: Mick on June 11, 2018, 06:02:58 pm
I have been really thinking about one of these. I am just deciding if I pick one of these up or get the atf paperwork going on making my scorpion a sbr.
Title: Re: Ruger PC Carbine
Post by: RMc on June 24, 2018, 02:11:09 am
Just realized the Ruger PC Carbine actually uses one more magazine type than discussed so far:

"Ships with SR-Series Pistol and Security-9® magazine well installed and an additional magazine well accepting Glock® magazines is included*. Ruger American Pistol® magazine well is available at ShopRuger.com."