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POF Piston guns
« on: September 07, 2009, 02:25:10 am »
What are y'alls' opinion on them?

I'm thinking that someday this could be a way to satisfy my desire for a 7.62x51 AR.



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    Re: POF Piston guns
    « Reply #1 on: September 07, 2009, 02:27:55 am »
    I have a buddy with the 14.5 inch barreled 5.56 Piston AR from them with a FA Sear.  It took a bit to break it in but once it got broken in, it's run like nobody's business.  For a guy with a bunch of class 3 toys and literally dozens of AR's to choose from that the POF is now his FAVORITE of them all, I think speaks highly of them.  Plus I'll add that in spite of it's shortened barrel it's very accurate even with cheap milsurp ammo.

    I do know that with their first gen guns they had some issues with the pistons, but I don't know if any of that transferred over to the AR-10 style guns.
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    Re: POF Piston guns
    « Reply #2 on: September 07, 2009, 10:46:30 am »
    I have one of the .223 SPRs, there is only one bad thing I can say about it.  With the MMR as it is now called (used to be Predator rails, till Bushmaster came along and started copying it*), the scope sits a bit too high for the Vltor E-Mod stock.  Thats it.  The thing is way more accurate than I am with the right ammo, so reliable it ain't funny, and a breeze to clean.  Just pull the parts out, and depending on how many rounds you just shot, wipe it down with a dry rag.  (if needed, spray a bit of solvent on it, then wipe down)  Oil.  No scrubbing, no cracks for the crud to get into, takes maybe 2 minutes to go from assebeled dirty gun to assembeled clean gun.

    The ambi bolt release is awesome, if I can afford it, all my future AR builds will be using POF recievers, the integrated oversize triggerguard is nice too.   POFs bolt carriers are like nothing you have seen if used to normal ARs, they are monolithic, and are strong enough to use as a club if needed.     The sheer quality of my entire rifle is what makes me love it so, there is nothing they missed.   With a few of the things POF is now using (roller cam pin, NP3 coatings), I want to go get a new one. :D

    *Bushmaster is now making first gen POF designed GP rifles under license of POF, so it is possible that POF also sold the Predator name to them, or is leasing it. 

    A friend of mine just got one of the P308s, here is what he had to say:
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    I have a POF in .223 and I like their gas piston ARs and have been planning on a .308 for a while. I wasn't sure what to expect in terms of accuracy or recoil and I was pleasantly surprised by both. This rifle has virtually zero recoil ... the muzzle brake and the buffer make this rifle suitable for anyone to shoot. This rifle has an ambidextrous slide release which I like and it appears to be typical POF quality throughout. I hastily made up 40 rounds yesterday using some crappy 12-year old FC brass and was able to send all of them downrange today without any drama. I didn't clean the barrel or any components between the 1st or the last shot.


    Here is the internals after those 40 rounds:

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    Re: POF Piston guns
    « Reply #3 on: September 07, 2009, 02:06:48 pm »
    What are those two cylindrical things between the charging handle and that long thin rod?  And what is that rod, anyway?
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    Re: POF Piston guns
    « Reply #4 on: September 07, 2009, 02:19:21 pm »
    That rod is the gas piston.  It seems so small, compared to one on a FAL or an AK.  I wonder how it holds up long term, especially on a .308?  Because I, too, am kind of enamored with the P308.



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    Re: POF Piston guns
    « Reply #5 on: September 07, 2009, 02:50:55 pm »
    I better start saving some money now.  And then I'll need to buy good glass.  Sigh.  With myself buying all these guns, I'll never be able to afford a Ferrari. :headbang
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    Re: POF Piston guns
    « Reply #6 on: September 07, 2009, 05:44:05 pm »
    What are those two cylindrical things between the charging handle and that long thin rod?  And what is that rod, anyway?
    The rod is the op rod.  The short cylinder is the piston (it is reversable for suppressed vs non-suppressed, thats why it is not a single piston/rod piece), and the cylinder with the block on the end is the gas plug, what goes into the gas block and holds the piston/op rod in.  I seem to remember from somewhere that the POF gas plugs are just plain ole FAL plugs, but I have never had a POF and FAL plug side by side.

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    Re: POF Piston guns
    « Reply #7 on: September 07, 2009, 06:04:44 pm »
    What can you tell me about those distinctive looking stocks on these rifles?
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    Re: POF Piston guns
    « Reply #8 on: September 07, 2009, 06:25:12 pm »
    Looks like a VLTOR E-mod stock, FMJ.
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    Re: POF Piston guns
    « Reply #9 on: September 07, 2009, 06:53:44 pm »
    Looks like a VLTOR E-mod stock, FMJ.
    That is it, but these are the "enhanced" versions, basically they have a 1/2" rubber part on the back, vs just straight plastic.  According to the website, the SPRs should come with POF's PSS, a aluminum fixed stock with some form of adjustable cheeckpiece.

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    Re: POF Piston guns
    « Reply #10 on: September 07, 2009, 08:36:55 pm »
    And best of all the guns are made right here in Free America! 
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    Re: POF Piston guns
    « Reply #11 on: September 08, 2009, 12:37:19 am »
    FMJ, really? you couldn't recognize the VLTOR?

    And... a gift FMJ, it should, provide a worthy read.

    http://www.pof-usa.com/POF-USA%202009%20manual.pdf

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    Re: POF Piston guns
    « Reply #12 on: September 08, 2009, 01:11:30 am »
    Well, Mil-surp guns are usually my cup of tea.

    I had heard the term "VLTOR" tossed around before, but the reason I asked in the beginning was because I wanted to know what is so special about that specific style of stock.
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    Re: POF Piston guns
    « Reply #13 on: September 08, 2009, 01:13:08 am »
    How much?  I'm not paying more than 1200 for a semi .308. :hide

    DPMS has a normal Ar-10 for 900, piston uppers seem to be mostly a selling point.
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    Re: POF Piston guns
    « Reply #14 on: September 08, 2009, 01:22:50 am »
    I believe for the P-308 it is $2600.

    The piston is indeed the selling point, IMHO
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    Re: POF Piston guns
    « Reply #15 on: September 08, 2009, 01:26:04 am »
    I believe one of POF's prime selling points is that the piston works well with Suppressors but I could be mistaken on that.

    I really want one though.  They are SMOOTH!
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    Re: POF Piston guns
    « Reply #16 on: September 08, 2009, 07:10:21 am »
    Well, Mil-surp guns are usually my cup of tea.

    I had heard the term "VLTOR" tossed around before, but the reason I asked in the beginning was because I wanted to know what is so special about that specific style of stock.
    Vltor's (E)modstock is modular. Per their website, the swells/battery compartments are removable.

    I've never handled one, so someone else may have a more detailed description to offer.
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    Re: POF Piston guns
    « Reply #17 on: September 09, 2009, 12:56:22 am »
    I think it makes sense that these would run smoother with a can.  And the piston apparently makes cleaning so much easier...
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    Re: POF Piston guns
    « Reply #18 on: September 09, 2009, 08:03:12 am »
    The piston is indeed the selling point, IMHO

    While the piston may be the selling point, POF rifles have lots more to offer over a standard AR-10, one of the best barrels made, amazing quality all round, the ambi releases, awesome trigger, ect.

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