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FR8 Mauser ejection issue.
« on: May 20, 2016, 11:56:43 pm »
As of this evening, I am the owner of an FR8 Mauser.  :dance

Upon examining it, and loading it with both live ammo and snap caps, I have noticed an issue that needs to be addressed: When cycling the action briskly, the ejector does not seem to catch the rounds, and they remain held by the extractor claw.  If I cycle the action slowly, all seems to work properly and eject, but speed up and I get double feeds.  If I flip the rifle onto its left side, the ejection is more reliable and almost 100%, but not quite... any other angle is completely unreliable.

Any thoughts?

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    Re: FR8 Mauser ejection issue.
    « Reply #1 on: May 21, 2016, 01:06:26 am »
    Have you tried it with an empty case?
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    Re: FR8 Mauser ejection issue.
    « Reply #2 on: May 21, 2016, 08:38:22 am »
    Not CMA'ing this at all: I never had an issue with it not ejecting brass, but I didn't try and do a Mad Minute with it, either.  :shrug

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    Re: FR8 Mauser ejection issue.
    « Reply #3 on: May 21, 2016, 10:31:36 am »
    Have you tried it with an empty case?
    I have not, as I have not fired it yet.  However, as the ejection works pretty well when the rifle is flipped  90 degrees to the left, but Not the right, I don't think it is an issue of the weight of the cartridge.  It is not an OAL issue as 7.62x51 is a bit shorter than 8mm Mauser.

    Not CMA'ing this at all: I never had an issue with it not ejecting brass, but I didn't try and do a Mad Minute with it, either.  :shrug
    No, you were good to work with.  That's not an issue.  It is not so much speed, as it is force.  If I baby it back, until it just clicks the ejector, they pop out 100%.

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    Re: FR8 Mauser ejection issue.
    « Reply #4 on: May 21, 2016, 10:39:07 am »
    I think the fastest I ever ran it was maybe a 2.5 - 3 second cycle.

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    Re: FR8 Mauser ejection issue.
    « Reply #5 on: May 21, 2016, 11:41:47 am »
    I think the fastest I ever ran it was maybe a 2.5 - 3 second cycle.
    Once again, fast or slow, it's how hard the bolt comes back.  Too hard, and it flies past what appears to be the ejector's sweet spot.

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    Re: FR8 Mauser ejection issue.
    « Reply #6 on: May 21, 2016, 12:47:47 pm »
    Have you tried it with an empty case?
    I went outside and created an empty case. :p

    Trying it, it seems to eject reliably.  This makes no sense to me, but if it works... :shrug

    Once I fine tune the sights, I will have a larger sample of ejecting empty brass, so I will better know if it needs work done.

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    Re: FR8 Mauser ejection issue.
    « Reply #7 on: May 21, 2016, 02:01:07 pm »
    I went outside and created an empty case. :p

    Trying it, it seems to eject reliably.  This makes no sense to me, but if it works... :shrug

    Once I fine tune the sights, I will have a larger sample of ejecting empty brass, so I will better know if it needs work done.

     :facepalm

     :rotfl

    Brass expands when fired, so it can get a better purchase to extract it?  :shrug
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    Re: FR8 Mauser ejection issue.
    « Reply #8 on: May 21, 2016, 02:25:50 pm »
    :facepalm

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    Brass expands when fired, so it can get a better purchase to extract it?  :shrug
    What, you wanted me to empty it inside the house??

    I don't think the rim and base expand much when fired.  It must be a weight issue, but a larger sample will be more conclusive.

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    Re: FR8 Mauser ejection issue.
    « Reply #9 on: May 21, 2016, 02:52:05 pm »
    What, you wanted me to empty it inside the house??

    I don't think the rim and base expand much when fired.  It must be a weight issue, but a larger sample will be more conclusive.

    No, don't do that. Mom made a rule against shooting in the house after that snake visited our kitchen...... It was inconclusive which family member caused the need for this rule, however rumour has it that I might have had a hand in prompting the policy change  :-[.
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    Do we forget that cops were primarily still using 6 Shot Revolvers well through the mid 80's? It wasn't until after 1986 that most departments then relented and went to autos.
    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
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    Re: FR8 Mauser ejection issue.
    « Reply #10 on: May 21, 2016, 03:50:54 pm »
     :rotfl

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    Re: FR8 Mauser ejection issue.
    « Reply #11 on: May 21, 2016, 08:43:17 pm »
    I went outside and created an empty case. :p

    Trying it, it seems to eject reliably.  This makes no sense to me, but if it works... :shrug

    Once I fine tune the sights, I will have a larger sample of ejecting empty brass, so I will better know if it needs work done.

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    Re: FR8 Mauser ejection issue.
    « Reply #12 on: May 22, 2016, 11:52:23 pm »
    No, don't do that. Mom made a rule against shooting in the house after that snake visited our kitchen...... It was inconclusive which family member caused the need for this rule, however rumour has it that I might have had a hand in prompting the policy change  :-[.

    We have kinda the same rule. I can't open the kitchen window and shoot out of it anymore. I have to run out on the porch and take the shot.
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    « Reply #13 on: May 22, 2016, 11:57:59 pm »
    We have kinda the same rule. I can't open the kitchen window and shoot out of it anymore. I have to run out on the porch and take the shot.
    That seems unreasonable. :P

    So long as the muzzle clears the window frame, I don't see the problem with shooting from inside the house.

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    « Reply #14 on: May 23, 2016, 10:59:00 am »
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    Re: FR8 Mauser ejection issue.
    « Reply #15 on: May 23, 2016, 10:08:20 pm »
    The rifle should cycle properly with a loaded round just as reliably as with an empty.  If it's a standard Mauser action, you should remove the bolt catch assembly which has the ejector there as well and give it a good cleaning and inspection.  All you have to do is remove the one small flat head screw on the back part of the lever and separate it from the receiver.  It's a very easy process so nothing to fear.
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    « Reply #16 on: May 23, 2016, 11:51:24 pm »
    The rifle should cycle properly with a loaded round just as reliably as with an empty.  If it's a standard Mauser action, you should remove the bolt catch assembly which has the ejector there as well and give it a good cleaning and inspection.  All you have to do is remove the one small flat head screw on the back part of the lever and separate it from the receiver.  It's a very easy process so nothing to fear.

    As far as I'm aware, all the FR-8 rifles were built from regular Mauser 98 pattern rifles (98k's, I think) without any fiddling done to the action internals. Come to think of it, I'm pretty sure I remember playing "Action Parts Mix-em-Up" with my FR-8, Yugo M48A, and Turk K.Kale, and everything interchanged rather well. I'd guess that an FTE problem on an FR-8 should be approached the same way as an FTE on any other 98 action. So...what Matt said.
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    Re: FR8 Mauser ejection issue.
    « Reply #17 on: May 24, 2016, 12:07:13 pm »
    All you have to do is remove the one small flat head screw on the back part of the lever and separate it from the receiver.  It's a very easy process so nothing to fear.
    I did so, and everything looks good to me.  I don't know what I could diagnose, but nothing looks missing or damaged.

    In disassembling the rifle, it becomes clear just how simple the Mauser platform is.  As someone who has long eschewed bolt actions... I need more of these rifles. :D

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    « Reply #18 on: May 24, 2016, 12:10:21 pm »
    I may have done an incorrect application of Slipstream grease...  :whistle

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    « Reply #19 on: May 24, 2016, 01:00:27 pm »
    It's possible that something is not quite right with the extractor claw.

    As long as it kicks out empty cases well when you sharply draw the bolt back though, I wouldn't sweat it.

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    « Reply #20 on: May 24, 2016, 01:41:26 pm »
    I may have done an incorrect application of Slipstream grease...  :whistle

    :shocked

    So that's why there were dirty pictures rolled up in the 'gas tube' storage compartment?? :shocked :vomit

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    « Reply #21 on: May 24, 2016, 03:18:59 pm »
    I may have done an incorrect application of Slipstream grease...  :whistle


    :shocked

    So that's why there were dirty pictures rolled up in the 'gas tube' storage compartment?? :shocked :vomit

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    « Reply #22 on: May 24, 2016, 03:47:46 pm »

    :shocked

    So that's why there were dirty pictures rolled up in the 'gas tube' storage compartment?? :shocked :vomit

    Is that where those ended up?

     :shrug

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    « Reply #23 on: May 24, 2016, 07:38:11 pm »
    In disassembling the rifle, it becomes clear just how simple the Mauser platform is.  As someone who has long eschewed bolt actions... I need more of these rifles. :D

    I just had my K98 based '.06 out this weekend.  There are a couple of 18" gongs set up on the hillside back in the woods behind the 200 yard targets.  The brush has grown up in the last few years, but a couple of the younger, more ambitious members recently cut a new trail to them and rehung and repainted them and cleared the overhanging brush away.  Still hard to see though without a good scope.  Distance is about 275-280 yards from the far right benches.  Off a bipod, I hit three for three, alternating gongs, holding about 10 inches high.  Now I want one in .308.  And .223.  And . . .
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    Re: FR8 Mauser ejection issue.
    « Reply #24 on: May 24, 2016, 08:50:28 pm »
    Ok, if nothing looks out of order, is clean but is still malfunctioning when cycled smartly then there is one other thing to check.  I believe you mentioned that it did eject when the rifle was rolled 90 degrees on its side and if that's the case then it could be that you have play in the ejector and is moving outward enough to skip over the rim and remain on the extractor claw.  Remove the bolt and examine the ejector as it sits inside the receiver in the upright position.  If you can move the ejector with your finger and feel no resistance then you will either need to replace the ejector or the spring in the bolt stop (or the whole bolt stop assembly if the spring can't be removed...I'm going off memory so I'm not 100% sure how it completely disassembles).

    I did so, and everything looks good to me.  I don't know what I could diagnose, but nothing looks missing or damaged.

    In disassembling the rifle, it becomes clear just how simple the Mauser platform is.  As someone who has long eschewed bolt actions... I need more of these rifles. :D
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