Author Topic: Desert Tech MDR: TAKE MY MONEY (Read 26342 times)

GeorgeHill · « **on:** January 17, 2014, 01:01:41 pm »

Gun Lust has a new name. "MDR" by Desert Tech of Utah.
This, my brothers in arms... is in .308:

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GeorgeHill · « **Reply #1 on:** January 17, 2014, 01:03:08 pm »

This is a the same gun, with a different furniture piece, in 5.56mm:

HiVelSword · « **Reply #2 on:** January 17, 2014, 01:08:07 pm »

Hopefully these go into full production soon and outsell the Tavor (which I've nothing against).

Oh, and to Kel Tec? "Go fluff yourself". I hope the MDR hurts them.

If I ever move to a free state an MDR will be on my short list.

21B · « **Reply #3 on:** January 17, 2014, 01:15:35 pm »

Desert Tech said they should be out in 2015, gives me an extra year to save up. I want one of their sniper rifles, but I will purchase the MDR first. Only thing I have seen from SHOT Show 2014 that I actually like (after all the disappointing reports of the R51). I will have to learn how to operate a bullpup now.

GeorgeHill · « **Reply #4 on:** January 17, 2014, 01:23:52 pm »

The MDR has a unique forward ejection, out the right side. You can clear a jam without disassembly, or being bulky. Not really heavy either... very similar otherwise to a TAVOR rather than other bullpups. But the Tavor is not caliber covertable. It has a mag well that can use an adapter so you can go from 308 size to 223 size. It's slick as it gets.
However the guns were untested... the guys in the booth didn't get a chance to fire anything. 3D printed prototypes... so it's got some development time ahead of it. But I'm optimistic because unlike many other new things - this design is smart. And it's US made and not having to be imported.
Love this is one and I want it to be a winner. I wish Desert Tech much success. Also - you may not hear much about it because - Worse SHOT BOOTH LOCATION EVER. It was hidden and I had to hunt to find it.

HiVelSword · « **Reply #5 on:** January 17, 2014, 01:37:00 pm »

And even if that ejection port cover falls/breaks off then it ejects to the right like normal. But regardless, their implementation of forward eject is quite clever. Kudos to the design team!

That and the mag release was designed from the get go to be accessed by the trigger finger.

Harm · « **Reply #6 on:** January 17, 2014, 01:43:26 pm »

Interesting gun. I'd like to play w it

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Penguin · « **Reply #7 on:** January 17, 2014, 02:21:43 pm »

Colour me interested. Just about anything in 308 that is semi-auto will get me to take a look. I guess time will tell us more about it and weather or not I should get one. I know the RFB was interisting but I have only ever seen one. Does this take some sort of P-Mag?

StevenTing · « **Reply #8 on:** January 17, 2014, 02:32:36 pm »

DT never disappoints. Any word on pricing?

Coronach · « **Reply #9 on:** January 17, 2014, 03:07:58 pm »

Oh look! Someone is going to eat Kel-Tec's lunch!

Again!

Mike

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Avenger29 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 17, 2014, 03:20:47 pm »

Quote from: StevenTing on January 17, 2014, 02:32:36 pm

DT never disappoints. Any word on pricing?

I heard $2500ish

I'm glad they aren't promising it for immediate shot show release

For a bullpup to be viable IMHO, it must be truly ambidextrous. Not "you can take it apart and reverse these parts to make it eject left" or
"you can order a seperate bolt to make it eject opposite" but truly at a moments notice ambidexterous

Like it much better than the Tavor, which was one of the better bullpups available.

Adskii · « **Reply #11 on:** January 17, 2014, 03:30:59 pm »

I threw money at the screen, nothing happened. My wife stopped me when it looked like my wallet was going to tip the monitor off my desk...

ksuguy · « **Reply #12 on:** January 17, 2014, 03:33:46 pm »

Looks awesome, especially the .308 version.

HiVelSword · « **Reply #13 on:** January 17, 2014, 06:13:11 pm »

Quote from: Coronach on January 17, 2014, 03:07:58 pm

Oh look! Someone is going to eat Kel-Tec's lunch!

Again!

Right???

Hmm, lessee...you can order this Kel Tec bullpup and save money but you might grow old and die before it ever came in, OR you can buy the DT off the shelf in 2015 or they have to order it and it arrives next week. Either way it would arrive before the RFB you ordered today.

Even if both were on the counter in front of you buying the inferior of two products is not really "saving money". But that's my possibly unfair opinion of the KT bullpups as I've never seen one to handle nevermind shoot one. And, well...that's part of the problem.

armoredman · « **Reply #14 on:** January 17, 2014, 06:25:37 pm »

Kel Tec lost me as a customer years ago...by not having anything for me to buy. I would have sold blood plasma to get an RFB, my dream rifle...now, it's "meh". I've yet to ever see one in the flesh. Same with the KSG, and now these new oddballs? nah, I'll just go reload some more for what I have. I wish the Deseret Tech guys good fortune, and maybe if they ever get down to under $1000 for a rifle, maybe a working slob like me might look at one. Maybe not - new stuff is WAY too expensive.

Raptor · « **Reply #15 on:** January 17, 2014, 07:12:37 pm »

Looks like something out of HALO. Which is not a bad thing, BTW. Color me interested. Hopefully by next year I'll be able to afford one.

Coronach · « **Reply #16 on:** January 17, 2014, 07:27:10 pm »

Kel Tec has once again created a niche (look! futuristic ambi bullpup! in .308!) and then made a conscious decision not to fill it ("we don't want to over-extend by ramping up production" or "the owner WANTS those to be rare", whichever you believe). At this point, I'm pretty much actively cheering for anyone and everyone to rip off their innovation. Especially if it is by someone with production capacity and a QC department that is sober on workdays.

Mike

Coronach · « **Reply #17 on:** January 17, 2014, 07:29:24 pm »

This is also better in that it takes .308 PMags.

This is, actually, a very graphic illustration of how SLOW KT is. When they designed the RFB, SR-25 magazines were rare and expensive, and FAL mags were a dime a dozen. Designing the RFB around metric FAL mags was deemed to be a very wise decision. In the interim, a company that actually MAKES STUFF designed and fielded a magazine that is cheap and reliable for the AR-10 pattern guns, and FAL mags, probably the most plentiful surplus mags n the world that don't feed a Stoner or Kalashnikov design, have dried up.

Read that again: while the world waited for KT to get off their arses and produce a gun that they had already designed, the magazine market did a complete 180, with design and production of a whole new magazine happening and an entire, worldwide supply going from "plentiful and cheap" to "scarce and expensive."

Utter fail, KT. Utter, abject fail. You may be design geniuses, but you're business morons. The lot of you.

Mike

StevenTing · « **Reply #18 on:** January 17, 2014, 10:27:27 pm »

Quote from: armoredman on January 17, 2014, 06:25:37 pm

Kel Tec lost me as a customer years ago...by not having anything for me to buy. I would have sold blood plasma to get an RFB, my dream rifle...now, it's "meh". I've yet to ever see one in the flesh. Same with the KSG, and now these new oddballs? nah, I'll just go reload some more for what I have. I wish the Deseret Tech guys good fortune, and maybe if they ever get down to under $1000 for a rifle, maybe a working slob like me might look at one. Maybe not - new stuff is WAY too expensive.

You can dream for Under $1000 but it will never happen with DT. Their barrels alone go for $1000 plus. Closer to $1500 on their bolt guns. They've essentially taken their "bullpup" design of their bolt guns and applied it to a semi. You should check out their HTR. It's a nice system. Get a nice long barrel in something that is not so long.

armoredman · « **Reply #19 on:** January 18, 2014, 12:26:14 am »

Not a dream, amigo, just a wish, If they can't fill it, I'll buy elsewhere.

No problem - hope they do well with it.

RetroGrouch · « **Reply #20 on:** January 18, 2014, 03:43:13 am »

Sorry, way too much money for it, and it won't even exist for a year or more.

seanp · « **Reply #21 on:** January 18, 2014, 07:34:43 am »

If they can bring it to Canada for around $2500 it will sell out of stores by pre-order.

booksmart · « **Reply #22 on:** January 18, 2014, 09:55:40 am »

I don't reckon they're planning one in .300 BLK?

Avenger29 · « **Reply #23 on:** January 18, 2014, 10:04:39 am »

Quote from: RetroGrouch on January 18, 2014, 03:43:13 am

Sorry, way too much money for it, and it won't even exist for a year or more.

For what you are getting it's a bargain.

Newly developed rifle and it's going to be done right...for $2500 it's a very good deal.

Think about it...the FS2000 is at the $2300 mark. The Tavor is at the $2000 mark. The quality .308 rifles tend to be around the $2000+ mark. The SCAR is around the $2500 mark.

New rifles have development costs that have to be recouped for it to be possible for the maker to sell the rifle. .308 Semiautos are in general rather pricey so if they can bring it to market at that price point, then they will have a winner on their hands.

JesseL · « **Reply #24 on:** January 18, 2014, 12:49:20 pm »

MSRP on semi-auto .308s of any sort starts around $1500 for a basic AR or G3 clone. M14/M1As begin around $1800 and climb well through $3K. SCAR Heavies are around $3300. An HK MR762 is $4K. Actual sale prices are lower but not by a lot, and the distributors don't have seem to be having any trouble moving them.

If this bullpup is $2500 and even mediocre quality they won't be able to keep up with demand. They could probably go a fair bit higher without hurting demand.

That's more than I can afford, but I don't expect DTR to care.