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Title: Desert Tech MDR: TAKE MY MONEY
Post by: GeorgeHill on January 17, 2014, 01:01:41 pm
Gun Lust has a new name.  "MDR" by Desert Tech of Utah.
This, my brothers in arms... is in .308:
Title: Re: Desert Tech MDR: TAKE MY MONEY
Post by: GeorgeHill on January 17, 2014, 01:03:08 pm
This is a the same gun, with a different furniture piece, in 5.56mm:
Title: Re: Desert Tech MDR: TAKE MY MONEY
Post by: HiVelSword on January 17, 2014, 01:08:07 pm
Hopefully these go into full production soon and outsell the Tavor (which I've nothing against).

Oh, and to Kel Tec? "Go fluff yourself". I hope the MDR hurts them.

If I ever move to a free state an MDR will be on my short list.
Title: Re: Desert Tech MDR: TAKE MY MONEY
Post by: 21B on January 17, 2014, 01:15:35 pm
Desert Tech said they should be out in 2015,  gives me an extra year to save up.  I want one of their sniper rifles, but I will purchase the MDR first.  Only thing I have seen from SHOT Show 2014 that I actually like (after all the disappointing reports of the R51).  I will have to learn how to operate a bullpup now.
Title: Re: Desert Tech MDR: TAKE MY MONEY
Post by: GeorgeHill on January 17, 2014, 01:23:52 pm
The MDR has a unique forward ejection, out the right side.  You can clear a jam without disassembly, or being bulky.  Not really heavy either... very similar otherwise to a TAVOR rather than other bullpups.  But the Tavor is not caliber covertable.  It has a mag well that can use an adapter so you can go from 308 size to 223 size.  It's slick as it gets.
However the guns were untested... the guys in the booth didn't get a chance to fire anything.  3D printed prototypes... so it's got some development time ahead of it.  But I'm optimistic because unlike many other new things - this design is smart.  And it's US made and not having to be imported.   
Love this is one and I want it to be a winner.  I wish Desert Tech much success.  Also - you may not hear much about it because - Worse SHOT BOOTH LOCATION EVER.  It was hidden and I had to hunt to find it.
Title: Re: Desert Tech MDR: TAKE MY MONEY
Post by: HiVelSword on January 17, 2014, 01:37:00 pm
And even if that ejection port cover falls/breaks off then it ejects to the right like normal. But regardless, their implementation of forward eject is quite clever. Kudos to the design team!

That and the mag release was designed from the get go to be accessed by the trigger finger.

Title: Re: Desert Tech MDR: TAKE MY MONEY
Post by: Harm on January 17, 2014, 01:43:26 pm
Interesting gun.  I'd like to play w it

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Title: Re: Desert Tech MDR: TAKE MY MONEY
Post by: Penguin on January 17, 2014, 02:21:43 pm
Colour me interested. Just about anything in 308 that is semi-auto will get me to take a look. I guess time will tell us more about it and weather or not I should get one. I know the RFB was interisting but I have only ever seen one. Does this take some sort of P-Mag?
Title: Re: Desert Tech MDR: TAKE MY MONEY
Post by: StevenTing on January 17, 2014, 02:32:36 pm
DT never disappoints.  Any word on pricing?
Title: Re: Desert Tech MDR: TAKE MY MONEY
Post by: Coronach on January 17, 2014, 03:07:58 pm
Oh look! Someone is going to eat Kel-Tec's lunch!

Again!

Mike

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Title: Re: Desert Tech MDR: TAKE MY MONEY
Post by: Avenger29 on January 17, 2014, 03:20:47 pm
DT never disappoints.  Any word on pricing?

I heard $2500ish

I'm glad they aren't promising it for immediate shot show release


For a bullpup to be viable IMHO, it must be truly ambidextrous. Not "you can take it apart and reverse these parts to make it eject left" or
"you can order a seperate bolt to make it eject opposite" but truly at a moments notice ambidexterous

Like it much better than the Tavor, which was one of the better bullpups available.



Title: Re: Desert Tech MDR: TAKE MY MONEY
Post by: Adskii on January 17, 2014, 03:30:59 pm
I threw money at the screen, nothing happened. My wife stopped me when it looked like my wallet was going to tip the monitor off my desk...
Title: Re: Desert Tech MDR: TAKE MY MONEY
Post by: ksuguy on January 17, 2014, 03:33:46 pm
Looks awesome, especially the .308 version.
Title: Re: Desert Tech MDR: TAKE MY MONEY
Post by: HiVelSword on January 17, 2014, 06:13:11 pm
Oh look! Someone is going to eat Kel-Tec's lunch!

Again!


Right???

Hmm, lessee...you can order this Kel Tec bullpup and save money but you might grow old and die before it ever came in, OR you can buy the DT off the shelf in 2015 or they have to order it and it arrives next week. Either way it would arrive before the RFB you ordered today.

Even if both were on the counter in front of you buying the inferior of two products is not really "saving money". But that's my possibly unfair opinion of the KT bullpups as I've never seen one to handle nevermind shoot one. And, well...that's part of the problem.
Title: Re: Desert Tech MDR: TAKE MY MONEY
Post by: armoredman on January 17, 2014, 06:25:37 pm
Kel Tec lost me as a customer years ago...by not having anything for me to buy. I would have sold blood plasma to get an RFB, my dream rifle...now, it's "meh". I've yet to ever see one in the flesh. Same with the KSG, and now these new oddballs? nah, I'll just go reload some more for what I have. I wish the Deseret Tech guys good fortune, and maybe if they ever get down to under $1000 for a rifle, maybe a working slob like me might look at one. Maybe not - new stuff is WAY too expensive.
Title: Re: Desert Tech MDR: TAKE MY MONEY
Post by: Raptor on January 17, 2014, 07:12:37 pm
Looks like something out of HALO. Which is not a bad thing, BTW. Color me interested. Hopefully by next year I'll be able to afford one.
Title: Re: Desert Tech MDR: TAKE MY MONEY
Post by: Coronach on January 17, 2014, 07:27:10 pm
Kel Tec has once again created a niche (look! futuristic ambi bullpup! in .308!) and then made a conscious decision not to fill it ("we don't want to over-extend by ramping up production" or "the owner WANTS those to be rare", whichever you believe). At this point, I'm pretty much actively cheering for anyone and everyone to rip off their innovation. Especially if it is by someone with production capacity and a QC department that is sober on workdays.

Mike
Title: Re: Desert Tech MDR: TAKE MY MONEY
Post by: Coronach on January 17, 2014, 07:29:24 pm
This is also better in that it takes .308 PMags.

This is, actually, a very graphic illustration of how SLOW KT is. When they designed the RFB, SR-25 magazines were rare and expensive, and FAL mags were a dime a dozen. Designing the RFB around metric FAL mags was deemed to be a very wise decision. In the interim, a company that actually MAKES STUFF designed and fielded a magazine that is cheap and reliable for the AR-10 pattern guns, and FAL mags, probably the most plentiful surplus mags n the world that don't feed a Stoner or Kalashnikov design, have dried up.

Read that again: while the world waited for KT to get off their arses and produce a gun that they had already designed, the magazine market did a complete 180, with design and production of a whole new magazine happening and an entire, worldwide supply going from "plentiful and cheap" to "scarce and expensive."

Utter fail, KT. Utter, abject fail. You may be design geniuses, but you're business morons. The lot of you.

Mike
Title: Re: Desert Tech MDR: TAKE MY MONEY
Post by: StevenTing on January 17, 2014, 10:27:27 pm

Kel Tec lost me as a customer years ago...by not having anything for me to buy. I would have sold blood plasma to get an RFB, my dream rifle...now, it's "meh". I've yet to ever see one in the flesh. Same with the KSG, and now these new oddballs? nah, I'll just go reload some more for what I have. I wish the Deseret Tech guys good fortune, and maybe if they ever get down to under $1000 for a rifle, maybe a working slob like me might look at one. Maybe not - new stuff is WAY too expensive.
You can dream for Under $1000 but it will never happen with DT.  Their barrels alone go for $1000 plus.   Closer to $1500 on their bolt guns.  They've essentially taken their "bullpup" design of their bolt guns and applied it to a semi.  You should check out their HTR.  It's a nice system.  Get a nice long barrel in something that is not so long. 
Title: Re: Desert Tech MDR: TAKE MY MONEY
Post by: armoredman on January 18, 2014, 12:26:14 am
Not a dream, amigo, just a wish, If they can't fill it, I'll buy elsewhere. ;) No problem - hope they do well with it.
Title: Re: Desert Tech MDR: TAKE MY MONEY
Post by: RetroGrouch on January 18, 2014, 03:43:13 am
Sorry, way too much money for it, and it won't even exist for a year or more.
Title: Re: Desert Tech MDR: TAKE MY MONEY
Post by: seanp on January 18, 2014, 07:34:43 am
If they can bring it to Canada for around $2500 it will sell out of stores by pre-order.
Title: Re: Desert Tech MDR: TAKE MY MONEY
Post by: booksmart on January 18, 2014, 09:55:40 am
I don't reckon they're planning one in .300 BLK?   >:D
Title: Re: Desert Tech MDR: TAKE MY MONEY
Post by: Avenger29 on January 18, 2014, 10:04:39 am
Sorry, way too much money for it, and it won't even exist for a year or more.

For what you are getting it's a bargain.

Newly developed rifle and it's going to be done right...for $2500 it's a very good deal.

Think about it...the FS2000 is at the $2300 mark. The Tavor is at the $2000 mark. The quality .308 rifles tend to be around the $2000+ mark. The SCAR is around the $2500 mark.

New rifles have development costs that have to be recouped for it to be possible for the maker to sell the rifle. .308 Semiautos are in general rather pricey so if they can bring it to market at that price point, then they will have a winner on their hands.

Title: Re: Desert Tech MDR: TAKE MY MONEY
Post by: JesseL on January 18, 2014, 12:49:20 pm
MSRP on semi-auto .308s of any sort starts around $1500 for a basic AR or G3 clone. M14/M1As begin around $1800 and climb well through $3K. SCAR Heavies are around $3300. An HK MR762 is $4K. Actual sale prices are lower but not by a lot, and the distributors don't have seem to be having any trouble moving them.

If this bullpup is $2500 and even mediocre quality they won't be able to keep up with demand. They could probably go a fair bit higher without hurting demand.

That's more than I can afford, but I don't expect DTR to care.
Title: Re: Desert Tech MDR: TAKE MY MONEY
Post by: Harm on January 18, 2014, 02:04:13 pm
MSRP on semi-auto .308s of any sort starts around $1500 for a basic AR or G3 clone. M14/M1As begin around $1800 and climb well through $3K. SCAR Heavies are around $3300. An HK MR762 is $4K. Actual sale prices are lower but not by a lot, and the distributors don't have seem to be having any trouble moving them.

If this bullpup is $2500 and even mediocre quality they won't be able to keep up with demand. They could probably go a fair bit higher without hurting demand.

That's more than I can afford, but I don't expect DTR to care.

Wait?  Hold the fluff up! 

You are saying you'd acknowledge not only the value but the accepted market trend on price for a firearm of a given type/caliber & that its out of your price range without defending your manhood or your honor & without impugning the same weapon brought up in the conversation? 

Jesse I may be mistaken but you are doing this wrong!  Oh wait...

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Title: Re: Desert Tech MDR: TAKE MY MONEY
Post by: Matthew Mayner on January 18, 2014, 03:39:49 pm
These rifles would look sweet in a sci-fi flick.
Title: Re: Desert Tech MDR: TAKE MY MONEY
Post by: Coronach on January 18, 2014, 03:42:24 pm
Quote
You are saying you'd acknowledge not only the value but the accepted market trend on price for a firearm of a given type/caliber & that its out of your price range without defending your manhood or your honor & without impugning the same weapon brought up in the conversation? 

Jesse I may be mistaken but you are doing this wrong!  Oh wait...
Just buy an AK. What will this thing do that my WASR-1 with a wobbly mag won't do?

Mike

;)
Title: Re: Desert Tech MDR: TAKE MY MONEY
Post by: GeorgeHill on January 18, 2014, 04:25:03 pm
Value is always what people are willing to pay for it.  2500 for this rifle is not bad based on what it's all about and capable of.
I'm very interested in this weapon system.  It's everything the ACR was supposed to be, but in BP form, and capable of going to 7.62 calibers.  Which makes this the most interesting weapon at SHOT in my opinion. 
Title: Re: Desert Tech MDR: TAKE MY MONEY
Post by: Coronach on January 18, 2014, 05:05:04 pm
yeah, the caliber conversion thing is interesting. On the one hand, I was all fanboy about that with the Masada/ACR, then I thought about it. So you can convert your gun to shoot some other caliber ... that's cool, but every time you do it you have to rezero...or, if the gun actually RTZs as advertised (big "if"), you should at least CONFIRM zero (and keep count of how many clicks up/down/right/left your optic is, or keep a separate optic on a mount that also RTZs, and don't confuse anything ...) ... and how many times would that conversion happen...and if it did happen a bunch, how many times until you said to yourself "You know, this is a PITA and I wish I just had a gun in *insert other caliber here*"?

So, now I'm no longer interested in caliber conversion in rifles.

That said, if you got TWO of these ... one in .308 and one in .223 ... each would act as a parts donor for the other (for most parts, anyway) ...

Yeah, thoughts like that make my bank account cringe.

Mike
Title: Re: Desert Tech MDR: TAKE MY MONEY
Post by: Penguin on January 18, 2014, 05:29:15 pm
Just buy an AK. What will this thing do that my WASR-1 with a wobbly mag won't do?

Mike

;)

Shot a bigger and in my opnion better round. :shrug
Title: Re: Desert Tech MDR: TAKE MY MONEY
Post by: Coronach on January 18, 2014, 09:22:39 pm
Yeah, that was sarcasm. It will probably shoot a smaller group, too. ;)
Title: Re: Desert Tech MDR: TAKE MY MONEY
Post by: HMPlatinum on January 18, 2014, 09:37:29 pm
.308 and 5.56.

Both please.

Here's to hoping I don't need that other kidney.
Title: Re: Desert Tech MDR: TAKE MY MONEY
Post by: Coronach on January 18, 2014, 09:44:08 pm
yeah. If they don't suck, and if they don't cost too much. I'm thinking (hoping?) that since these are not precision rifles, Desert Tech's usual price structure for components will not be followed. because a 4-figure barrel in a carbine configuration is not going to sell well.

Mike
Title: Re: Desert Tech MDR: TAKE MY MONEY
Post by: Avenger29 on January 18, 2014, 11:44:07 pm
.308 and 5.56.

Both please.

Here's to hoping I don't need that other kidney.

Bo, just do what I do...kidnap homeless people for their kidneys. They get a shopping cart full of cheap booze after they wake up in the bathtub full of ice and the chinese organ traders get their organs. Win-win situation.

You live a lot better lifestyle when you throw away your scruples.

Title: Re: Desert Tech MDR: TAKE MY MONEY
Post by: Nick Cage on January 21, 2014, 12:21:05 pm
Bo, just do what I do...kidnap homeless people for their kidneys. They get a shopping cart full of cheap booze after they wake up in the bathtub full of ice and the chinese organ traders get their organs. Win-win situation.

You live a lot better lifestyle when you throw away your scruples.



This may be my favorite post of all time... definitely of this year, and probably last.  :rotfl
Title: Re: Desert Tech MDR: TAKE MY MONEY
Post by: GeorgeHill on January 21, 2014, 05:25:37 pm
So there is truth to his Bender avatar...  :scrutiny
Title: Re: Desert Tech MDR: TAKE MY MONEY
Post by: Correia on January 21, 2014, 09:55:22 pm
I want one. I told George on FB that since they are local I need to contact them, find out if I've got any fans there, and then see if I can't get the Famous Author Will Product Place Your Guns Into Next Book discount.
Title: Re: Desert Tech MDR: TAKE MY MONEY
Post by: StevenTing on January 21, 2014, 10:18:46 pm
Larry, I've got some contacts there as well as a dealer contact. 
Title: Re: Desert Tech MDR: TAKE MY MONEY
Post by: Correia on January 21, 2014, 10:25:25 pm
Groovy, Steve. I want one.
Title: Re: Desert Tech MDR: TAKE MY MONEY
Post by: Mikee5star on February 06, 2018, 09:13:55 pm
Necro thread alert.

Desert Tech has started shipping MDR's. TFBTV shot one at shot show, and the rep said that they should have all the pre-orders finished by end of first quarter, well maybe May.  If you order now you might get your gun by July, well end of the year for sure. And even though asked no msrp given.
Title: Re: Desert Tech MDR: TAKE MY MONEY
Post by: coelacanth on February 07, 2018, 12:23:29 am
 :hmm   Wonder if the soft market will bring them in a little under the original estimate?
Title: Re: Desert Tech MDR: TAKE MY MONEY
Post by: GeorgeHill on February 07, 2018, 03:03:53 pm
At this point... I'm not even sure I'm still interested in the rifle.  I was originally... But when a company that is up and rolling like this takes so long to get a product out to market, this gives me concerns.  This gives me a lot of uncomfortable SA-80 Concerns.
Title: Re: Desert Tech MDR: TAKE MY MONEY
Post by: coelacanth on February 07, 2018, 03:14:09 pm
Agreed.  Rumor has it the price has essentially doubled as well.  Haven't seen anything official yet but if that's the case those things are going to be nearly as scarce after they are released as they were before.   :coffee
Title: Re: Desert Tech MDR: TAKE MY MONEY
Post by: mattitude on February 07, 2018, 08:57:46 pm
So...are the Kel Tec jokes still valid?
Title: Re: Desert Tech MDR: TAKE MY MONEY
Post by: coelacanth on February 07, 2018, 10:31:24 pm
Yeah, but feel free to toss in a few Desert Tech jokes along the way as well.  At your discretion, of course.  :cool
Title: Re: Desert Tech MDR: TAKE MY MONEY
Post by: Mikee5star on December 14, 2018, 10:50:55 am
The boys at Forgotten Weapons and InRangeTV have finally gotten their hands on the Desert Tech.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbrH_S2Nppo  Tear down and tech discussion
www.youtube.com/watch?v=DabLcqavXJ0  Live fire and  :facepalm
Title: Re: Desert Tech MDR: TAKE MY MONEY
Post by: Raptor on December 14, 2018, 11:09:50 am
Yeah, that was disappointing, especially considering that Desert Tech has spent, what, 4 or 5 years? developing and teasing this thing. Can't say I'm really surprised, though. Like Ian & Karl said, "innovative" is usually a codeword for "doesn't work quite right."

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Title: Re: Desert Tech MDR: TAKE MY MONEY
Post by: ksuguy on December 14, 2018, 12:01:58 pm
I watched that last night.  It is an interesting design with a lot of potential, but they need to solve those problems or this thing is DOA.

I knew they were going to have ejection issues before they even fired it just by looking at that system.  The extraction seems to be mostly okay, but that weird groove on the ejection cover coupled with that small port that has to be hit just right is asking for failure.
Title: Re: Desert Tech MDR: TAKE MY MONEY
Post by: sqlbullet on December 14, 2018, 04:20:24 pm
I wonder...If you could run it with only the ejector installed, but not the ejection port?  It appears that would have resolved the problems they had.  That would, of course, put brass right in your face if you shot it off-hand.

But it would open the possibilty of the ejection port side being altered to not hold the case, but just direct it downward after it left the action.  A bit bulkier, but not as tricksy.
Title: Re: Desert Tech MDR: TAKE MY MONEY
Post by: Mikee5star on December 15, 2018, 02:56:59 pm
Did anyone on here get in on the pre-order of these?  I know there was lots of interest 4.5 years ago, but did anyone get one?  There is lots of interest in 7.62 battle rifles here, but I have not heard any real world comments.  I have not even heard of any showing up in LGS, my favorite LGS has a waiting list for SCAR H at real world prices that are more than most of the used cars I have bought.   I really like the idea of a bullpup .308, but when I hear the FAMAS is the best of a questionable lot...I ain't got $25000 of like for the ideal.
Title: Re: Desert Tech MDR: TAKE MY MONEY
Post by: ksuguy on December 15, 2018, 04:56:19 pm
Yeah, it has to be a great rifle if it is going to demand that high price.  Especially when you can find a decent entry-level AR-10 for $700 and FAL's, M1A's and G3's in the $1000-1200 range.   
Title: Re: Desert Tech MDR: TAKE MY MONEY
Post by: AltRight Vanguard on December 15, 2018, 11:01:38 pm
Yeah, it has to be a great rifle if it is going to demand that high price.  Especially when you can find a decent entry-level AR-10 for $700 and FAL's, M1A's and G3's in the $1000-1200 range.
True, but other than the G3 that price gets you in at the entry level for those platform.  It also would buy an RDB, which is an entry level 7.62 bullpup.  I would not want an RDB for serious use.  If you buy top shelf of each of those platforms, the cost would not be substantially less.
Title: Re: Desert Tech MDR: TAKE MY MONEY
Post by: Mikee5star on December 16, 2018, 12:11:00 am
I don't think a bullpup brings enough to the table to counter the design compromises.  But the idea of a short rifle without having to get a tax stamp is appealing.  High quality AR-10's are around $2000, RDB's are around $1400, the Century CETME's are $1500, I can't remember what the good, non Century CETME's, are called but they were 5-700 more than the Century's.  SCAR's are around $3000, the Fal's and G-91 are 4500  That makes the Desert Tec reasonable in terms of price even with the issues to be worked out.  I have a friend who thinks the Scar-H brings enough to the table that he sold all his other .308 semi's.  I still think that I will end up with an AR-10 variant due to initial cost and ease of caliber conversions.   
Title: Re: Desert Tech MDR: TAKE MY MONEY
Post by: AltRight Vanguard on December 16, 2018, 12:37:19 am
I don't think a bullpup brings enough to the table to counter the design compromises.  But the idea of a short rifle without having to get a tax stamp is appealing. 
Agreed, on both points.


RFB's are around $1400, the Century CETME's are $1500, I can't remember what the good, non Century CETME's, are called but they were 5-700 more than the Century's.  ... ...  the Fal's and G-91 are 4500 
I don't know what your local prices are like, but PTR-91s are closer to $900-1200 online, and those are better than anything made by CAI.  DSA FALs are what?  $1500 and up.  $2k if you get the options.  Genuine HK or FN... I don't think I would even shoot those anymore.  Too valuable.
Title: Re: Desert Tech MDR: TAKE MY MONEY
Post by: ksuguy on December 16, 2018, 12:59:13 am
The DSA Voyager is $999.  More for the higher end models.

Yeah, the genuine HK and FN models are collectors items now.