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DDI's "Do-It-Yourself" AK
« on: November 11, 2015, 05:04:20 pm »
So I went on the Internet today, and I found this:



It's a standard DDI stamped receiver AK-47, only it doesn't come with furniture from the factory and is being sold exclusively (for now, I imagine) by AGS Armament.

According to the video, AGS requested DDI produce this model for them because they had lots of customers asking if they could get a DDI AK with different color furniture or different furniture configurations and were unable to accommodate those requests.



Now I'm probably crazy, but I actually like this idea. Reason being that I'd been considering an AK for my first rifle, but when I finally shot one (FA at a machine gun shoot), I discovered that the standard length of pull is way too short for me. I have rather long arms, so crunching up behind a short stock is rather uncomfortable for me. Combine that with the AK's steep (for a fighting rifle) comb drop and the AK was very unpleasant for me to shoot.

DDI's Zhukov-MOE edition (MOE foreend and pistol grip with the Zhukov-S stock) would solve that problem, as would simply buying a "standard" DDI AK and installing either a Zhukov-S stock or an M4 stock and buffer tube on a Rifle Dynamics adapter. But the problem with each of those setups is that neither is exactly what I want (all Magpul furniture in OD Green) and I don't really need or want a folding stock, and to eventually get the rifle set up the way I want it, I'd be discarding perfectly good (if personally unsuitable) furniture.

I did some quick and dirty pricing out, and it looks like if I bought the DDI DIY AK, the setup I want (MOE AKM handguard, AK pistol grip, and CTR buttstock on an RD adapter, all OD Green) is slightly more expensive than a DDI MOE-Zhukov (not including an optic and mount), but I'm okay with that since a)I'd eventually buy all the stuff anyway, b) I won't be paying extra for furniture I wouldn't end up using, and c) said furniture won't wind up taking up space in my house.

Only downside is that I'll probably have to modify the handguard slightly to make it work with the Hungarian-pattern trunion and retainer plate. But it looks like it'll only take two minutes and a dremel (which is probably the most dangerous idea in gunsmithing!)

So what do y'all think? Good idea or gimmick?
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    Re: DDI's "Do-It-Yourself" AK
    « Reply #1 on: November 11, 2015, 05:15:41 pm »
    Since you've already done the figuring, see if you figured correctly.  Go for it.  You'll have a one of a kind AK that fits you perfectly.
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    « Reply #2 on: November 11, 2015, 05:55:21 pm »
    I bought an AK with furniture that I didn't want and it's still laying around. I think you're making a good choice. I did get my plum coloured NATO length AK, but I now have a spare set of Warsaw pact length black furniture.
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    Re: DDI's "Do-It-Yourself" AK
    « Reply #3 on: November 11, 2015, 06:14:19 pm »
      Not bad....

    But quite honestly for $650....I think I'd still take a Wasr for $550......I like original chrome-lined barrels, and my 2 (plus one that's almost a Wasr) have all been straight solid shooters.

    That said I do like the idea of a stripped AK, considering everyone does something different with them anyway.

     
      I do have to ask:  The AK you shot that had a severe drop of comb....was it a Chinese?  I ask because they have way funky low-angled stocks, but the normal AK buttstock is acceptable to me.   
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    « Reply #4 on: November 11, 2015, 07:17:40 pm »
    Just to throw conflicting opinions in here  :neener. I own both a WASR and a Arsenal/FIME Group SGL-21. I have deep affection for the Arsenal while the WASR is meh. Also, for some reason my Arsenal is quite a bit more accurate than my WASR, go figure  :shrug.
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    Capacity wasn't really an issue then... and honestly really it's not even an issue now.
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    « Reply #5 on: November 11, 2015, 09:10:29 pm »
    Just to throw conflicting opinions in here  :neener. I own both a WASR and a Arsenal/FIME Group SGL-21. I have deep affection for the Arsenal while the WASR is meh. Also, for some reason my Arsenal is quite a bit more accurate than my WASR, go figure  :shrug.

    Every gun's different I suppose.  My two Wasr 10/63's will easily do 2.5" at 100 yards, my M&M M10 (basically a Wasr with a different FSB) will do 2".   That's with steel case, brass does better.

      I wanted a SGL-21....bad.....but the price went up, and the ones I handled were...good...But I beat the living heck outta them and I couldn't spend the extra to beat up a gun ;)  Although I have no doubt they are of higher quality.etc,
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    Re: DDI's "Do-It-Yourself" AK
    « Reply #6 on: November 11, 2015, 09:21:40 pm »
    I like Romy's, too.  Chrome-lined barrels are not a necessity for me, but all else being equal, they are nice to have.

    I am 5'7", with proportionate arms.  Unlike Raptor, I find that the Warsaw LOP fits me just fine for a bladed stance, and is none too bad for a combat stance with the AK's open sights.



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    « Reply #7 on: November 11, 2015, 10:17:34 pm »
      Not trying to derail Raptors thread....lol.

    But I'm 6'0 with "average" arms, I have no problem with warsaw stocks and I shoot "square" to the target.    It takes some practice and getting used to it, but it's about the same length as the 3rd click on collapsing AR stocks, where 75% of people use it  :shrug   
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    « Reply #8 on: November 11, 2015, 10:41:18 pm »
    It's not a bad idea.  Lots of people want to customize their AK furniture.  Why bother putting some on there that is only going to be taken off?    I've got an SAR-1 and it is ridiculously short for me.   However,  I'm 6'4" with long arms and even FALs and M1 Garands are a little on the short side for me.   
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    « Reply #9 on: November 11, 2015, 10:57:02 pm »
    I do have to ask:  The AK you shot that had a severe drop of comb....was it a Chinese?  I ask because they have way funky low-angled stocks, but the normal AK buttstock is acceptable to me.   

    I'm really not sure what it was. I think it had the usual half-shroud front sight instead of the Chinese-style full-shroud front sight, so I want to say no, but really I have no idea.

    I think it was the short LOP was more of a problem than the comb. IIRC, the AK's comb drop was about the same as the full-auto FAL I shot the same day, and that was an absolute joy to shoot. The FAL's stock was a standard-length fixed stock with a thick rubber buttpad, and that fit me perfectly in my combat "stance" (using the term very loosely).

    That said, it could have been me being a moron. The overwhelming majority of my shooting experience is with pistols and I've never had any formal instruction on a long gun. For all I know my stance and cheekweld on the AK were completely buggered up.

    Actually, come to think of it... I shouldered a C39V2 at Cabela's not too long ago. The stock felt a little bit short, but not horribly uncomfortable like at the shoot. So either it was a Chinese AK with a funky stock, or I was just a moron. Though the steel buttpad on the one I shot didn't do me any favors.

    Maybe I'd be better off getting the DIY AK, but picking up a MOE/AKM furniture set from Brownells instead of all that other stuff, and f the LOP is too short I'll get the thicker buttpad. It'd still a little cheaper than the DDI that comes with the MOE furniture from the factory, it'll be in the color I want, and free a little more money up for the eventual optic, mount, and light .
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    « Reply #10 on: November 11, 2015, 11:30:27 pm »

    /snip

    Maybe I'd be better off getting the DIY AK, but picking up a MOE/AKM furniture set from Brownells instead of all that other stuff, and f the LOP is too short I'll get the thicker buttpad. It'd still a little cheaper than the DDI that comes with the MOE furniture from the factory, it'll be in the color I want, and free a little more money up for the eventual optic, mount, and light .

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    « Reply #11 on: November 12, 2015, 09:58:35 am »
    Not trying to derail Raptors thread....lol.
    Eh, no worries.  Any more, we get away with crap that would have gotten FMJ banned for life.  :P

    ...but it's about the same length as the 3rd click on collapsing AR stocks, where 75% of people use it  :shrug   
    The difference is, the sights on an AR require a certain range of 'eye relief' to properly use the aperture sight system.  This makes proper fit of an AR stock important.  The open sights on an AK are much more forgiving.

    I think it was the short LOP was more of a problem than the comb. IIRC, the AK's comb drop was about the same as the full-auto FAL I shot the same day,
    Was this at DNA?  Their full-auto AK (unless they have more than one) has regular Warsaw furniture.  Not Chinese.



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    « Reply #12 on: November 12, 2015, 10:53:18 am »
    Yep, it was the DNA Guns shoot. So it probably was me, not the gun.

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    Re: DDI's "Do-It-Yourself" AK
    « Reply #13 on: November 12, 2015, 12:03:28 pm »
    And DDI just posted a picture on Facebook of an AK receiver that's marked "CALIBER: 5.45x39mm / MODEL: 74S." Combine this with the rumor I heard about MagPul introducing 5.45mm AK PMags at the upcoming SHOT Show (heard it from Rob Ski at AK Operators Union, so I'm thinking it's legit), and now I'm back to square one on my rifle decision.

    :banghead GAH! TOO MANY CHOICES!  :banghead
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    Re: DDI's "Do-It-Yourself" AK
    « Reply #14 on: November 12, 2015, 04:01:04 pm »
      If you allow us to help on your decisions.....GET BOTH.....

    If finances don't allow that  ;) (We're a good influence ain't we? lol), I would say the 7.62 version would be best enjoyed.

     I've bought three AK74's.....and sold them all.  Each time I had to buy back magazines and ammo, then shot it, didn't care for it and sold out of the caliber and mags and ammo.     Don't ask me why  :shrug  I should like it, but if I go to a .22 caliber I prefer the AR.   Something about the '74 just didn't mesh with me.

     Versus my 7.62X39 addiction......
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    « Reply #15 on: November 12, 2015, 11:25:33 pm »
    I'd be happy to spare you the headache and sell you my Arsenal  :thumbup1

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    Re: DDI's "Do-It-Yourself" AK
    « Reply #16 on: November 13, 2015, 04:35:45 pm »
    Totally unrelated to anything, but does anyone else thing MagPul should offer their AK furniture and mags in Bakelite Orange?
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    « Reply #17 on: November 13, 2015, 08:26:23 pm »
       I think they will at some point.  One company is offering RIT dye jobs that turn out looking damn nice.  Can't remember their names but it's around the akfiles website, I could look it up if you turn out wanting that. 
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    « Reply #18 on: November 13, 2015, 08:31:59 pm »
       I think they will at some point.  One company is offering RIT dye jobs that turn out looking damn nice.  Can't remember their names but it's around the akfiles website, I could look it up if you turn out wanting that. 

    I actually found a place on the internet that sells Bakelite-colored dyed MOE pistol grips, which is what prompted that comment, but I'll be darned if I can remember it now. I wouldn't put it on my AK (leaning towards OD green), but I still think MagPul would sell a ton of them if they made them themselves.
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