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Re: 9mm PCC Recommendations?
« Reply #150 on: September 16, 2020, 04:12:23 pm »
We're in for trouble no matter which way the election goes.  Trump wins, we get more riots.   Biden wins,  the democrats go full on communist.   One silver lining is that they have alienated law enforcement so much,  they might have trouble finding people to enforce all their bulls___.     

That's what their Antifa/BLM sturmtruppen are for.  They're already going around intimidating and assaulting random people on the streets and at restaurants, demanding that they show solidarity with the movement or else.
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    Re: 9mm PCC Recommendations?
    « Reply #151 on: September 16, 2020, 10:39:09 pm »
    I notice we don't see any videos of that kind of thing from the recent gathering of motorcycle enthusiasts in Sturgis, South Dakota.   :hmm   We've had some rodeos here over the summer and a few county fairs that also seem devoid of any such activity.   I'm guessing the venue has quite a bit to do with the chance of an outbreak of a "peaceful protesting" .    :coffee   

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    « Reply #152 on: September 17, 2020, 01:48:28 pm »
    I notice we don't see any videos of that kind of thing from the recent gathering of motorcycle enthusiasts in Sturgis, South Dakota.   :hmm   We've had some rodeos here over the summer and a few county fairs that also seem devoid of any such activity.   I'm guessing the venue has quite a bit to do with the chance of an outbreak of a "peaceful protesting" .    :coffee   

    The "peaceful protestors"  tend to avoid places assumed to be armed.  In atleast one case where their judgement proved erroneous,  their bus was met by armed townsfolk.  They wisely turned tail.

    This may, however,  change;   BLM and the antifaschiste aktion  sturmtruppen seem to be obtaining firearms.

    Stay frosty out there.
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    « Reply #153 on: September 17, 2020, 02:39:36 pm »
    The bigger problem is the commies in local positions of power giving them a pass.   You'll notice that the POS that got his arm shredded in Kenosha isn't in jail even though he was trying to shoot someone with a Glock and had a prior rap sheet that probably would have disqualified him from legally owning it.

    We're not going somewhere good and I don't see things turning around. I just hope enough good people are out there that we don't end up with the worst possible outcome.   
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    « Reply #154 on: September 17, 2020, 06:22:42 pm »
    I notice we don't see any videos of that kind of thing from the recent gathering of motorcycle enthusiasts in Sturgis, South Dakota.   :hmm   We've had some rodeos here over the summer and a few county fairs that also seem devoid of any such activity.   I'm guessing the venue has quite a bit to do with the chance of an outbreak of a "peaceful protesting" .    :coffee   



    Something like a half-dozen Antifa showed up to try to cause trouble in Sturgis... and then refused to enter the rally and cause mischief without a massive police escort, which they received.  Good thing, too: one of the little geniuses decided to kick over somebody's bike.  The cops immediately scooped them up and got them out before the crowd could rip the idiot apart.

    Another idiot got caught tagging structures and vehicles with graffiti, did over $10k in property damage.  Local DA is throwing the book at them.
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    « Reply #155 on: September 17, 2020, 09:57:36 pm »
    Apparently your olde home town got serious about curtailing stupid as well.   :thumbup1
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    « Reply #156 on: September 18, 2020, 04:43:01 pm »
    Philly?  Last I heard, they were still catering and pandering.

    Hopefully Lancaster County put its foot down hard, but I confess that I really haven't been paying attention to the news this week.
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    « Reply #157 on: September 19, 2020, 02:24:09 pm »
    Yeah, just saw the news: Lancaster put the boot down hard.  Deployed the Riot Police from the get-go and apparently dispersed everyone (and arrested quite a few "troublemakers") in very short order.
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    « Reply #158 on: September 19, 2020, 09:48:45 pm »
    Apparently the judge wimped out and reduced bail.   :bash   
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    « Reply #159 on: September 20, 2020, 06:17:32 pm »
    Apparently the judge wimped out and reduced bail.   :bash   

     :facepalm

    That actually doesn't surprise me, since Lancaster the city is pretty liberal (and home to Franklin & Marshall, which was a rather liberal school 15-ish years ago when I was college hunting, don't want to imagine what it's like now), but at least they were actually arrested and charged, vs. the whole catch-and-release bullsh*t that most other cities are doing.
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    « Reply #160 on: October 10, 2020, 06:02:52 pm »
    So, quick update.

    Not much of anything has happened. Mama Raptor is still interested, but hasn't signed up for a class yet: she wants me to teach her when I go back down to FL over the holidays.  She'd rather learn from me than from some stranger, which I get.  But I've told her that she should take an actual class since that should have a very useful classroom portion which I won't really be able to duplicate (not having ready access to a firearm or training-quality firearms facsimile), and so all I'll really be able to do is take her straight onto the range and go over most everything on the firing line.  Stuff like the four rules and proper sight alignment I can do back at the house, but we tried the whole "these are what all the controls are" think while we were on the firing line once already, and it didn't go well.  Mama Raptor says she understands and agrees that that's probably a better idea, so.... we'll see.

    Dunno if Papa Raptor is on board yet (doubt it), but Mama Raptor was horrified by Keith Olbermann's latest rant - the one where he calls conservatives and Trump supporter "maggots" and says that we need to be "removed from society," - and actually called me up to help her find the transcript of what he said so she could read it to Papa Raptor.  So hopefully that will be at least part of a wake-up call.
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    « Reply #161 on: October 11, 2020, 03:18:00 pm »
    Not surprising, really, when you think about what a clusterfluff this year has been.  Its been hard enough to just keep up with everything this year - much less take on something new.   I can well understand the feeling of wanting a loved one to teach the important stuff as my own mother reacted in precisely the same way.  The basic rapport is already there which fosters trust in the outcome of something that seems new and strange and potentially ominous. 

    There is always going to be a learning curve but having absolute trust in your instructor removes an important variable and is an important thing to a novice.  It also removes the fear of making a mistake or not keeping up with a group in a more formal setting that was paid for with hard earned cash.  Basic instructions and knowledge reviews can be done at home as can gun handling and dry fire drills.  That is where you really reinforce the triad of "mindset, skillset, toolset" and begin to build competence.  IMO.   

    Mr. Olbermann ( hereinafter referred to as TAO ) is one of those "gifts" that just keep on giving.   :facepalm   We seem to be awash in idiots with bullhorns these days but TAO seems to have made it to the pinnacle of that particular group.   I imagine a transcript of his remarks will be easy to find in the next few days while its being dissected and fashioned into a sharp stick with which to poke leftist/statist types concerned with the outcome of the general election. 

    It is always easy to dismiss the lunatic fringe of any ideology and comfort oneself with the presumption that most involved with it would stop any sort of truly radical thinking and violence by its members out of enlightened self interest.   Unfortunately, that phenomenon seems to be entirely absent of late.  The "wake-up call" you refer to is beginning to work its way through the populace despite large numbers of us being determined to ignore it yet again and count on the status quo being maintained by sheer cultural inertia.  That approach has been tried for millennia and has a history of catastrophic failure that is impossible to ignore. 



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    « Reply #162 on: October 11, 2020, 04:24:29 pm »
    Not surprising, really, when you think about what a clusterfluff this year has been.  Its been hard enough to just keep up with everything this year - much less take on something new.   I can well understand the feeling of wanting a loved one to teach the important stuff as my own mother reacted in precisely the same way.  The basic rapport is already there which fosters trust in the outcome of something that seems new and strange and potentially ominous. 

    There is always going to be a learning curve but having absolute trust in your instructor removes an important variable and is an important thing to a novice.  It also removes the fear of making a mistake or not keeping up with a group in a more formal setting that was paid for with hard earned cash.  Basic instructions and knowledge reviews can be done at home as can gun handling and dry fire drills.  That is where you really reinforce the triad of "mindset, skillset, toolset" and begin to build competence.  IMO.   

    Absolutely agreed, and I totally get where Mama Raptor is coming from (which I tried to say, but I'll be the first to admit that I wasn't particularly coherent or even with it yesterday - started a new job Monday and I was beyond exhausted).  My only hangup, as I said, is that when I go down to visit them, I don't have ready access to a firearm or facsimile (blue gun, airsoft gun, dummy gun, etc.) to go over the basics with Mama Raptor when I go down there.  Yes, I know I could bring one of mine, but I typically fly in and out of Tampa, and I'm given to understand that that's one of the least gun-friendly airports in the country.  That said, I can probably order a cheap airsoft gun off of Amazon and that will work well enough for my purposes.
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    « Reply #163 on: October 11, 2020, 06:07:38 pm »
    Videos on line are helpful.  Watching a detailed, slow motion video of someone actually handling a gun like one you will have to handle is instructive but no substitute for actual hands-on experience.  Perhaps a trip to a local gun store might be in order to allow her to handle a few and experience a dry firing cycle prior to a range trip.  I wish I had a better answer but your situation is a difficult one - especially with PR not fully on board yet.   
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    « Reply #164 on: October 11, 2020, 06:16:48 pm »
    We'll figure something out.  I'm going back down for Thanksgiving and staying through New Year's (yay remote employment!).  Aside from when Little Brother and Soon-To-Be-Sister-In-Law visit (LB didn't much care for guns before he spent a decade in academia, and STBSIL is a born & raised dyed-in-the-wool New England Liberal), we'll have plenty of time).
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    « Reply #165 on: October 11, 2020, 06:25:52 pm »
    Maybe by then we'll know the outcome of the election and all that can get thrown into the mix.  Good times.   :cool
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    « Reply #166 on: October 11, 2020, 06:49:07 pm »
    Yeah.  Good like a toothache.

    Mama Raptor's already pretty certain - as am I - that the left is going to go full BURN THE WITCHES! regardless of how the Election turns out.  No idea, as usual, what Papa Raptor's thinking.
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    « Reply #167 on: October 11, 2020, 09:17:16 pm »
    Yup.  TAO is trying to tap into that vein of poisonous hatred and insanity that is present in some on the left and I fear he will be at least partially successful given his name recognition and the size of his previous audience.  I hope I'm wrong but I wouldn't bet money on it at this point.
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    « Reply #168 on: October 11, 2020, 09:29:59 pm »
    I don't watch television, let alone the MSM news.  So I had not heard of TAO's rant before here.  I looked it up, and it is attached for your reference.



    That is - and I do not exaggerate in the slightest - the most completely and totally untrue piece I have ever heard.  Almost down to the syllable, every word he says is 180 degrees opposite of reality. 

    Watching this made me realize...  This country is done.  The US of A as we know it will cease to exist.  We are heading toward a totalitarian system, the only question remaining is who will come out on top - Left or Right.

    If Biden wins, the Left will grow stronger and more organized, biding their time under a friendly administration until 2024.  If Trump wins, (my bet, honestly, knowing and seeing what I have) then we will be treated to more of this for four years at most, until the powder keg ignites.

    The Left...  For all their bullshít rhetoric, is the party of fascism.  Period.  Full stop.  The mobs in the streets, the calls for violence, the characterisation of those different from them - 'the other' - as less than human, as vermin...  Where have we seen this before?

    If Raptor can tell his mother one thing, let it be this: The next Holocaust is already rolling.  We can stop it, maybe to a degree, but it is happening.  And make no mistake, 'we' are the ones marked for the gas chambers.

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    « Reply #169 on: October 11, 2020, 09:42:25 pm »
    A well reasoned assessment sir.   :thumbup1
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    « Reply #170 on: October 11, 2020, 11:16:49 pm »
    I also am in agreement.
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    « Reply #171 on: October 12, 2020, 05:56:37 pm »
    If Raptor can tell his mother one thing, let it be this: The next Holocaust is already rolling.  We can stop it, maybe to a degree, but it is happening.  And make no mistake, 'we' are the ones marked for the gas chambers.

    I've been sayin' it and sayin' it and sayin' it for at least 2-3 years.  But I can't get the idea of "they hate you because you exist" to sink in.  I think, at some level, that I'm still considered either a stupid kid who doesn't know what he's talking about, or else I'm overexaggerating things (as I admit I was want to do in my youth).

    Maybe I should just start taking my own advice: you can't save anyone who doesn't want to be saved.
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    « Reply #172 on: October 13, 2020, 02:00:23 am »
    Generally true but its hard to give up on someone you care about - especially family.   :coffee
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    « Reply #173 on: October 16, 2020, 11:25:29 pm »

    It is always easy to dismiss the lunatic fringe of any ideology and comfort oneself with the presumption that most involved with it would stop any sort of truly radical thinking and violence by its members out of enlightened self interest.   Unfortunately, that phenomenon seems to be entirely absent of late.  The "wake-up call" you refer to is beginning to work its way through the populace despite large numbers of us being determined to ignore it yet again and count on the status quo being maintained by sheer cultural inertia.  That approach has been tried for millennia and has a history of catastrophic failure that is impossible to ignore.

    I believe this amplifies your comment...

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    « Reply #174 on: October 17, 2020, 12:05:37 am »
    Yes, Ms. Gabriel has been a voice in the wilderness for decades as most of us can't be bothered to understand those who have declared themselves our enemies.  She is a formidable foe of Islamic jihadis and Marxists as is a local physician here in Phoenix, Dr. M. Zuhdi Jasser who understands the issues as well as Ms. Gabriel.  He doesn't generally get quite as wound up as she does but they are preaching from the same book.   
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