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Re: 9mm PCC Recommendations?
« Reply #175 on: December 24, 2020, 06:24:43 pm »
Hark!  What's this?!  An update?!

I'm back down in FL (flew back down the week before Thanksgiving, flying back up in early Jan), haven't mentioned guns the whole time since I figured it was all a lost cause.  Seems I might've been wrong....

Mama Raptor's friend & her husband came over to drop off Christmas gifts this morning, and while I wasn't party to the whole conversation (they were out in the front yard while I was inside working) and don't know what prompted this, but the husband let Mama Raptor handle his (unloaded) Mossberg MC1sc.  I ran outside when Mama Raptor walked up to the window I was in and showed the the pistol, and based on the subsequent conversation, Mama Raptor's back on board.  She doesn't like guns, but she doesn't want to get raped or murdered either.  Papa Raptor still doesn't like it, but he either gets the reality of the situation or else has resigned himself to the fact that she's going to do it regardless of what he wants (just like cable and our two dogs). The friends are going to call the instructor they like and get Mama Raptor in touch with him.  So it's probably going to happen.  I don't have a timeline, but it's probably going to happen.

Given Mama Raptor's reaction to the MC1 (fit her hand perfectly), I'm predicting she's going to want a small handgun.  I'm going to try to steer her towards something like a GLock 43X/48 or a SIG P365XL.  Thin enough for her small hands, still tall & long enough to be easy to shoot & manipulate and not have overly snappy recoil.
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    Re: 9mm PCC Recommendations?
    « Reply #176 on: December 24, 2020, 10:18:58 pm »
    Glad to hear it.   :thumbup1   

    Mrs. c and I were at a local shop a while back and got to handle the S&W Shield EZ and she liked it - which is saying something for a confirmed wheel gunner like her.  The smaller the gun - the more important every square inch of the gun/hand interface is.  If something is off even slightly the effect tends to be magnified - especially under recoil and in the time necessary to get back on target for a second shot.  Clearing a malfunction in a smaller pistol can also be complicated by a strong recoil spring.  If the pistol's slide is hard to rack at the range its going to be hard to get it back in operation when something gets sideways.   :hmm

    The smallest of the 9mm's can all exhibit one or more of those characteristics so be aware of it going in.   My smallest 9mm is a handful in a rapid fire drill and while I can usually manage it, my times invariably reflect the ongoing struggle.   Full snort ammo is what it is and physics is not optional.   

    With any luck the instructor MR gets in contact with is the kind who understands all this and has solid, real world answers to her questions and can give her a realistic set of options going forward. 
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    Re: 9mm PCC Recommendations?
    « Reply #177 on: January 01, 2021, 01:19:30 pm »
    My prediction was off: briefly spoke with Mama Raptor, and while she liked the feel of the MC1, she thinks that a long gun is more suitable for home defense (YAY!  My advice got through!), so we'll see....
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    Re: 9mm PCC Recommendations?
    « Reply #178 on: January 04, 2021, 12:51:57 am »
     :thumbup1   Progress has been made.    :cool
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    Re: 9mm PCC Recommendations?
    « Reply #179 on: January 04, 2021, 11:42:06 am »
    For some reason, a new version of the Christmas Carol is running through my head now...

    "I, in my nightcap, and Ma in her gown,
    Sprang from the bed to see
    what the f#$% was going down."

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    Re: 9mm PCC Recommendations?
    « Reply #180 on: January 05, 2021, 08:46:09 pm »
    For some reason, a new version of the Christmas Carol is running through my head now...

    "I, in my nightcap, and Ma in her gown,
    Sprang from the bed to see
    what the f#$% was going down."


    :rotfl

    And wait a minute... wouldn't that be "'Twas the Night Before Christmas?"
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    Re: 9mm PCC Recommendations?
    « Reply #181 on: January 05, 2021, 11:18:39 pm »
    You would be correct. My faux pas.

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    Re: 9mm PCC Recommendations?
    « Reply #182 on: November 13, 2021, 02:51:15 pm »
    Ack!  Zombie thread!  Zombie thread!

    So... long time, no update.

    Long story short, shortly after my last update, Mama Raptor decided that she "didn't have it in her" to shoot somebody and didn't want a gun after all, so six+ months of effort down the tubes.

    Buuuuuut.... I had an interesting conversation with her today.  I remarked that I found it odd that she was perfectly okay with beating somebody with a cast-iron frying pan (which is what she's always said she'd do if someone broke it), but at the same felt she couldn't bring herself to ever shoot someone.  She replied that she "didn't want to kill anyone, just beat them up."  I responded that the overwhelming majority of gunshot wounds, especially from pistol calibers, are non-fatal, and she could easily do a lot more damage, up to and including smashing ribs and pulping organs, with that cast-iron frying pan.

    There was a long, contemplative pause before Mama Raptor remarked that she "had never considered that."

    So she's still not sold on guns, but I did give her some food for thought to munch on.
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    Re: 9mm PCC Recommendations?
    « Reply #183 on: November 13, 2021, 11:23:07 pm »
    In related news, I ordered a Ruger PC9 from Cabelas last night.   
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    « Reply #184 on: November 14, 2021, 01:03:40 pm »
    Thanks for the update.  Sounds to me like the saga continues .  .  .   Hard to say how much interaction between MR and PR played a part in that conversation you had.   :hmm   Maybe something non-lethal she could practice with and have reasonable confidence in would be a better first step for her at this time.   How's the home security situation vis a vis perimeter lighting, cameras, locks, alarms, etc.?

    That PC 9 is a nice piece.  Probably my choice as well given its magazine compatibility with a handgun I have in mind.   :thumbup1



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    Re: 9mm PCC Recommendations?
    « Reply #185 on: November 14, 2021, 07:51:25 pm »
    I already have an SR9 and a few magazines.    However, I also went ahead and bought some Glock magazines.  They are cheap right now, and I thought it would be cool to have some 30 rounders.   As far as I know,  nobody makes those for the SR9.   Of course that means I'll also need to buy a Glock at some point.   

    I usually don't order much from Cabelas, but in this case they actually had one of the best prices I could find on the PC9.  There were a few places slightly cheaper online, but once you add in shipping and transfer fees, that's a wash.  Plus by buying gift cards at the grocery store to pay for it, I got discount points for gas.   
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    Re: 9mm PCC Recommendations?
    « Reply #186 on: November 15, 2021, 09:01:16 am »
    I doubt Papa Raptor talked her out of it since he hasn't talked much about it at all except when the topic's come up in 3-way conversation.  Most likely, Mama Raptor started overthinking things (as she is known to do), got into her own head, and talked herself out of it.

    Security-wise, the house is pretty well lit.  No cameras, I don't know about the locks, probably not great.  Doors and windows are hardened against physical impacts and probably other forcing methods as it's a new-construction house in Florida, so everything is built to withstand flying debris from hurricane-force winds.  It's in the middle of a rather nice deed-restricted development, so I'm not overly concerned with "normal" crime (though some of the neighborhoods outside the development are not nearly as nice).  My concern is more a "Kenosha" situation where a cop shoots a non-white individual and Antifa/BLM descend on the region and start burning and looting everything in sight.

    EDIT TO ADD:  That and, nothing to do with self-defense, but I think she REALLY needs a hobby that actually helps her relieve stress.  She loves cooking... for other people.  And then ends up overcommitting to send meals to people and ends up even more stressed than when she started.  So... yeah.  If I could get her to the range, I think recoil therapy would do her good.

    In related news, I ordered a Ruger PC9 from Cabelas last night.   

    Congrats on the new boomstick!  The PC9 has been on my list, especially now that Magpul has released their Backpacker stock for it.  Not that I've any use for such a setup, I just think it looks cool.  :cool
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    « Reply #187 on: November 15, 2021, 11:40:51 am »
    I'm hoping it gets to the local store before the Black Friday rush next week.   

    I'll probably throw one of my spare red dots on top of it once it gets here.  The short sight radius on the stock iron sights is probably the one thing I dislike most about it.   
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    « Reply #188 on: November 15, 2021, 11:45:45 am »
    I already have an SR9 and a few magazines.    However, I also went ahead and bought some Glock magazines.  They are cheap right now, and I thought it would be cool to have some 30 rounders.   As far as I know,  nobody makes those for the SR9.   <snip>   

    Somewhere I saw a video where a M&P hi-cap mag (25?, 30?, 33?) could be modified to fit an SR-9.  Just requires drilling a hole in the front of the mag for the SR-9 mag catch.  Not sure if those mags are more or less expensive than the Glock mags.

    Okay, I went looking.  First, there's this, where the discussion revolves around the fact that the mags are very, very similar: https://www.rugerforum.net/threads/sr9-m-p-magazine-compatibility.94889/

    Then, looking more specifically for videos, I went to YT.  Rather than a link to one specific video, just bring up YT, and enter this in your YT search field for a bunch of videos: sr9 extended magazines

    You can thank me later.  Or curse me, for the rapidity with which you will burn through your ammo stash.   :rotfl

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    « Reply #189 on: November 15, 2021, 11:55:09 am »
    Probably more,  I think I paid $14 for the Glock ones I bought last week.  AIM had them on sale.   

    I wish the .40 version of the PC9 could take M&P magazines.  I've got a lot of those.    If it could, I'd probably buy one in that caliber too. 
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    « Reply #190 on: November 24, 2021, 01:57:54 pm »
    Picked up the PC9 yesterday.   Seems like a great little carbine.  Sort of reminds me of my M1 Carbine or 10/22 as far as weight and feel go.   

    I've got the standard version.  There is the more "tactical" one with the free float, but I didn't really care for the handguard they used and it is more expensive.  That one also comes without iron sights.   While I will be putting a red dot on this, it's nice to have the irons as a backup.   The aperture sights it comes with are adequate, but I wish the rear sight was further back.   They went with a shorter sight radius, like how it is with an AK.     

    I'm right handed, but it does have reversible controls for the lefties, which is nice.  The synthetic stock has some nice grippy areas.  I'll definitely be adding in all the included spacers due to my height and arm length.    Out of the box, it should fit most people though, and it would be great as a youth model if you take all the spacers out.  Might be nice if Boyd's made some nice laminate for it,  I think that would look sharp.     

     
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    « Reply #191 on: November 24, 2021, 03:46:42 pm »
    Let us know how it works out for you.

    The more I think about it, the more I'm seriously considering getting a PC9, especially now that Primary Arms has their 1x prism scope with a 9mm bdc reticle (I'm 90% sure I have a slight astigmatism, should probably get that confirmed, but either way I rarely see a solid dot when looking through a regular rds).  It'd be primarily a "fun gun" for me, though I could bring it down to FL and MAYBE, HOPEFULLY teach Mama Raptor to shoot with it.
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    « Reply #192 on: November 24, 2021, 04:34:33 pm »
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    « Reply #193 on: November 24, 2021, 04:44:01 pm »
    Let us know how it works out for you.

    The more I think about it, the more I'm seriously considering getting a PC9, especially now that Primary Arms has their 1x prism scope with a 9mm bdc reticle (I'm 90% sure I have a slight astigmatism, should probably get that confirmed, but either way I rarely see a solid dot when looking through a regular rds).  It'd be primarily a "fun gun" for me, though I could bring it down to FL and MAYBE, HOPEFULLY teach Mama Raptor to shoot with it.

    The standard model is also a bit more traditional and less likely to scare your mom.  While it would be nice to have something with a rail system and folding stock, I just think the PC9 looks kind of goofy like that.  I'd probably be better off just building a 9mm AR if I wanted to get something a little more tacticool.  It's nice that primary arms has an optic with a BDC.  I'll probably just go with a standard dot though.  I've got an extra Holosun, Vortex, and Sig Romeo sitting around. 
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    « Reply #194 on: November 24, 2021, 07:34:02 pm »
    I agree, the PC9 looks goofy with the free-float M-LOK tubes.  And I already have 2 ARs, so I'm set as far as tactical/tacticool goes.

    99% of my shooting is at 25 yards or less (no public outdoor ranges near me, and the clubs all have years-long waiting lists) so I don't really need a BDC.  I'm interested in the SLx1 because it's a prism scope.  But if I ever have the opportunity to push it out to 50-plus yards, the BDC will be a nice feature to have.
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