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6 reasons to buy a Mossberg 464 SPX Lever Action.
« on: July 28, 2014, 08:36:28 pm »
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I can admit it when I’m wrong.   I can change my opinion when new information comes to light.   And I can change my opinion when something I once thought a disgusting abomination proves to be actually useful.   Well, in this case, that Something is the Mossberg 464 SPX.   When I first saw it in photos I thought it was a joke.  When I first saw it in person at SHOT Show, I was horrified.
But over time, the Mossy 464 series has grown on me.  And the SPX version has even become less offensive to my Lever Sensibilities. Now I’m at the point that not only to I actually like them… But I actually really WANT ONE.

Here’s what I like about the 464 SPX from O.F. Mossberg & Sons, Inc.
1. It has good sights and not Buckhorns… No one likes Buckhorns, not even guys who know how to use them. And these work in lower light conditions.
2. The stock adjusts to fit different sized shooters, or the same shooter through all four seasons.
3. The muzzle end is threaded. This means you can take off the flash hider and put on a muzzle brake, or a suppressor… Or a thread protector and have nothing on it. You have options.
4. It’s a Mossberg… so while it’s not a Japanese made Winchester, or a questionably made Marlin, or Brazilian or Italian made whatever… It’s a solid, hardworking US Made rifle that’s going to get the job done.
5. The safety is actually in a logical place for a Lever Action.
6. These things actually shoot very well. 

Ugly? Indeed… But it works. And that makes it rather attractive to me.  I think if I had one I’d get the gun Cerakoted for improved corrosion resistance, put a sling on it and cover the rails…  Maybe change the stock to a lighter unit.  But that’s less important.  I’d put a Battlecomp on it first chance I got.  And then I’d call it good.   
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    Re: 6 reasons to buy a Mossberg 464 SPX Lever Action.
    « Reply #1 on: July 28, 2014, 10:12:24 pm »
    The rails. Would definitely have to cover the rails.
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    Re: 6 reasons to buy a Mossberg 464 SPX Lever Action.
    « Reply #2 on: July 28, 2014, 11:28:38 pm »
    I'd love to pull off the railed fore-end and replace it with a Keymod fore-end.
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    Re: 6 reasons to buy a Mossberg 464 SPX Lever Action.
    « Reply #3 on: July 29, 2014, 12:14:27 am »
     :facepalm  What would Chuck Connors think?   :scrutiny

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    Re: 6 reasons to buy a Mossberg 464 SPX Lever Action.
    « Reply #4 on: July 29, 2014, 12:22:03 am »
    :facepalm  What would Chuck Connors think?   :scrutiny

    :panic                 :shrug
    Who cares?  Chuck Norris likes it.   >:D   I have to admit though, the saddle ring seems like something of an anachronism on a rifle with a thermoplastic adjustable stock.  Tactical considerations would seem to dictate replacing it with a carabiner.   :cool
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    Re: 6 reasons to buy a Mossberg 464 SPX Lever Action.
    « Reply #5 on: July 29, 2014, 12:26:46 am »
    I'm sorry George that thing is still an abomination.  What's next rails on a revolver?

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    Re: 6 reasons to buy a Mossberg 464 SPX Lever Action.
    « Reply #6 on: July 29, 2014, 12:32:35 am »
    GeorgeHill,

    You aren't the first I've heard who have changed their opinions on the Mossy 464 SPX. To me, seeing this here as a newbie to the forum, it says that the others and you have this well thought out. Personally, I don't care if I am shooting an ugly gun as long as the gun does what I ask. If the gun does more than I ask, well that is just icing.

    If I may add a 7th reason without stepping on toes...Because it is a Mossberg, it will not break your bank.

     
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    Re: 6 reasons to buy a Mossberg 464 SPX Lever Action.
    « Reply #7 on: July 29, 2014, 09:06:53 am »
    Eh.  At this point in my life I only use/shoot/carry guns that appeal to me both aesthetically and because of their practical utility.  Absolutely nothing wrong with having choices, but when I look at that gun I still think "what the hell?".  I'll stick with my Marlin 336C with its 18" barrel and ghost ring sight.  And blued steel.  And walnut.

    Still, I hope Mossberg sells every one of those things they make.
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    « Reply #8 on: July 29, 2014, 11:04:58 am »
    I'll stick with my Marlin 336C with its 18" barrel and ghost ring sight.  And blued steel.  And walnut.
    Oh that would be my preference as well... absolutely. 
    But there is something about the SPX that is itching my PROJECT GUN portion of my Ogrish mind...
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    Re: 6 reasons to buy a Mossberg 464 SPX Lever Action.
    « Reply #9 on: July 29, 2014, 11:11:48 am »
    Pretty sure scratches would be a non issue, not so much on my blued circa 1972 Winchester.
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    Re: 6 reasons to buy a Mossberg 464 SPX Lever Action.
    « Reply #10 on: July 29, 2014, 11:19:21 am »
    Hmm...How interesting...
    I admit I had to go to Mossberg's site to find out some about this offering.

    Yes, I admit, and many of you know, I am more of a "wood-n-blue" kind of guy.
    To ME, the Win 94 in "thutty-thutty" is what I grew up with, and prefer. I like/prefer  the straight stock config, over the Marlin. I mean the reality is, the "thutty-thutty" be it Win, Marlin, or even H&R single shot, is a proven  caliber/firearm. It is also light, handy, easy to carry, easy to  maneuver this carbine be it for hunting ( especially in heavy brush) or for defensive uses.
    Currently residing up North where I am, the "thutty-thutty" is not legal for deer.

    Mossberg 464 SPX Lever Action is not really my genre. That shared, I can see a niche for this offering. Price seems right, and I can "see" where this config would fit a lot of niches, for a number of folks. I am sure some are wondering about my thoughts on niches...

    Oh, and for some reason, MSM and Anti's will manage to totally screw the pooch, calling this an "assault weapon" if used for defensive reason on the farm/ranch. I sorta hope they do call it a AK or some-such. I mean even  some Anti's may question the dictionary and catch terms, used by MSM and Anti's.  My theory (and hope) has been give 'em enough rope, and they will hang themselves, with all this sensationalism. Which I could see ( and again hope) will get folks to think for themselves, and investigate and verify.

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    Re: 6 reasons to buy a Mossberg 464 SPX Lever Action.
    « Reply #11 on: July 29, 2014, 12:53:46 pm »
    Oh that would be my preference as well... absolutely. 
    But there is something about the SPX that is itching my PROJECT GUN portion of my Ogrish mind...

    Yeah I remember your green Marlin project -- I followed it with morbid fascination keen interest.   ;)
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    « Reply #12 on: July 29, 2014, 01:34:31 pm »
    My last Lever Action was my 1895GBL... I did love that gun.  Money requirements forced me to sell it.
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    Re: 6 reasons to buy a Mossberg 464 SPX Lever Action.
    « Reply #13 on: July 29, 2014, 08:38:11 pm »
    There are some things that I like but also some things that make me cringe on the Mossy.  The sights are great and the adjustable stock makes sense, but why even have rails if they are going to be covered?  All I've heard in the comments here is that they would cover the rails...ok I just don't see the point of the rails.  A safety on a lever action just doesn't make sense to me, that's almost like putting a safety on a revolver.  The saddle ring is a nod to the past but it looks like it was put in the wrong place.  The .30-30 is an American classic round I just wished that the .308 Marlin Express was more popular as IMO it's a much better cartridge.
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    « Reply #14 on: July 29, 2014, 09:08:27 pm »
      Hmmm.....I hadn't paid any attention to the location of the saddle ring.....It does have a rather odd placement.
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    Re: 6 reasons to buy a Mossberg 464 SPX Lever Action.
    « Reply #15 on: July 29, 2014, 11:16:04 pm »
    Okay, you guys know I am not one to leave well enough alone.  I've been looking at the 464 series of rifles and there seems to be some holes in the line that could be filled. 
    The 16" barreled SPX loses a round of capacity and a chunk of velocity from the standard 464 rifle with the 20" barrel.  I think it would be nice to offer a 20" SPX and let it take advantage of that extra oomph and extra round.  That's one thing.  The other thing, is the they have a nice weather proof marine finish... but with a not so weather proof wood stock.  How about a Marine Finished SPX?  And how about a Marine Finished 464 with a regular furniture, but in a sturdy synthetic?  I know I'd like that.  I'd also like a Trapper version of the 464.  Traditional, but in 16".  Okay, we've got this ball rolling... Where is a .45-70 gun?  That's right... I'm looking for a Guide Gun Alternative here.  The 464PH, Professional Hunter, make it like the Marlin's SBL... top rail, big loop... Do the same config in .30-30 as well.  And while we're talking calibers... Let's look at a .44 Mag version of the SPX and Trapper.   
    And where are the winged/protected adjustable ghost ring sights?  People pay good money for aftermarkets like that for their Marlins... Mossberg could just OFFER THAT and people would celebrate it.   Especially with these new configurations. 
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    « Reply #16 on: July 30, 2014, 10:07:37 am »
    I would also have to agree. When it first came out I was not so impressed. Now after a while I am more inclined to do a project build on it to mainly see what alternatives I could do to the railed foreend. Defiantly needs a change in my opinion but I like the overall intent. I would be more inclined to carry it as a truck gun over a blued and wood lever action.

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    « Reply #17 on: July 30, 2014, 03:47:00 pm »
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    « Reply #18 on: July 30, 2014, 08:02:05 pm »
    Can't wait to see what y'all can do with the project guns, after tinkering a bit.


    Oh, and btw? Want!  :P  :neener

    I'm sorry George that thing is still an abomination.  What's next rails on a revolver?

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    « Reply #19 on: July 30, 2014, 10:25:03 pm »
    My 12 yr old daughter just walked in and saw the pic of the Mossy.

    Her-"Ooooh... nice!"

    Me-"Yeah, lever action rifle. Kind of ugly, though."

    Her-"It's a gun, Dad. It can't be ugly."

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    « Reply #20 on: July 30, 2014, 10:30:31 pm »
    Not ugly.  "Functional."

    This is the Lever Action Han Solo would pack.  Hell... I might even give good ol' Peter Leskow one of these once I push him through the birthing canal of publishing.
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    « Reply #21 on: July 30, 2014, 11:27:04 pm »
    I just can't do that AR style stock.   I don't even like those things on AR's.
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    « Reply #22 on: July 31, 2014, 01:27:35 am »
    Light polymer stock and forend, sure, why not.  Rail on top to mount optics, good.  Adjustable length of pull and comb height, great.  The ceracote keeps it all from corroding, gives you the option of different colors and keeps in the whole "tactical" theme.


    But those rails and that stock are just butt ugly.
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    « Reply #23 on: July 31, 2014, 01:29:39 am »
    I was allowed to shoot a .454 Cassell at the LibertyCon range trip.

    Oooooh baby, all I needed was the hat, and I would've felt like a COWboy!

    Really want a lever gun now. I mean, I need one, for um, reasons. And stuff.
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    « Reply #24 on: July 31, 2014, 11:49:59 am »
    Damn it. I had all but settled on a Marlin 336BL.

    But...the Mossberg is shorter, cheaper, and has much better sights. Damn. Hmm.

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