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.308 bolt gun desire - need some help
« on: November 16, 2015, 12:31:07 am »
My .30-06 has me spoiled (3 shots under a nickel at 100 yards), so now I want to see if I can find a similarly accurate rifle in .308.  the '06 was built from a WWII K-98 Mauser. Only the receiver and bolt are original. It has a Timney target trigger that now averages 2#-1oz and a 26" stainless barrel.  I've posted a picture of it before: (https://wethearmed.com/rifles/rifle-pictures!/msg291812/#msg291812, post 74).

I liked what I read about the Ruger American Rifle when I first heard about it, but they only come with 18" or 22" barrels.  And they have that detachable magazine.  I think I'd prefer at least a 24" barrel, but I'm not sure why.  Probably because I somehow think it will have increased velocity compared to the shorter barrels.

I saw an older Ruger Model 77 in .25-06 a couple of days ago at Cabelas that was only about $500.  Couldn't try the trigger because of the trigger lock, but it was the wrong caliber so it wouldn't have mattered anyway.  Not sure how those older guns stack up to my criteria, but it sure looked nice. 

Thirty years ago my hunting buddy picked up a Remington (700, I think) in a "Police Sniper" configuration.  Milk jugs at 375 yards were no problem.  Cantaloupes were a little harder, but still pretty doable.  One of those would probably fit my desire, but I don't know what he paid for it, or if they are even available any more.  If so, probably out of my budget.

I'm not ready to buy yet, but would like to pick the collective's brains for suggestions.

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    Re: .308 bolt gun desire - need some help
    « Reply #1 on: November 16, 2015, 03:56:53 am »
    You might try one of the new Ruger Precision rifles. It is not a traditional looking rifle, but it is supposed to be damn accurate.

    I will also say what I always do. You should look at a Savage. You could likely pick up a used Savage 308 really cheap, stab a new barrel on it, buy a good stock and possibly get a new trigger. IF it is not the accutrigger model.

    If you go with a Savage the barrel is usually the most expensive part of the gun. You also have the option of getting new barrels in all the 308-based calibers out there with a Savage. The barrels are easy DIY changes.

    Keep the same barrel contour and you could have a very nice rifle with options for everything.

    A 26 inch barreled 22/250 will do some unholy things to prairie dogs and other vermin. 
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    Re: .308 bolt gun desire - need some help
    « Reply #2 on: November 16, 2015, 11:08:12 am »
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    Thirty years ago my hunting buddy picked up a Remington (700, I think) in a "Police Sniper" configuration.  Milk jugs at 375 yards were no problem.  Cantaloupes were a little harder, but still pretty doable.  One of those would probably fit my desire, but I don't know what he paid for it, or if they are even available any more.  If so, probably out of my budget.

    The Remington 700P is still available, and is a nice package for the money IMHO. You get an H-S Precision stock and the adjustable trigger form the 40-X target rifle. I bought one in .223 in "LTR" configuration (20" fluted heavy barrel) a few years back and had to special order  it; I paid something around $1000 for it. However, for some reason, these are widely available right now and prices have ebbed a bit.

    http://www.galleryofguns.com/genie/Default.aspx?item=5739&&mfg=Remington&mdl=All&cat=All&type=All&cal=308&fin=&sit=&zipcode=62858

    I am seeing prices between $800-850.

    Rob
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    Re: .308 bolt gun desire - need some help
    « Reply #3 on: November 16, 2015, 04:30:56 pm »
    As a followup, what twist rate should I look for?  The '06 has a 1 in 12 twist rate, and likes 165gr bullets.  Did fine with 150s as well (cover 3 with a quarter), but didn't like 180s as much (best I could get was a 2" grouping).

    I doubt I'll ever hunt anything larger than deer, so see no need for heavier bullets, so I'm thinking 165-168gr so I don't have to buy different bullets for the two guns.
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    Re: .308 bolt gun desire - need some help
    « Reply #4 on: November 16, 2015, 04:56:13 pm »
    As a followup, what twist rate should I look for?  The '06 has a 1 in 12 twist rate, and likes 165gr bullets.  Did fine with 150s as well (cover 3 with a quarter), but didn't like 180s as much (best I could get was a 2" grouping).

    I doubt I'll ever hunt anything larger than deer, so see no need for heavier bullets, so I'm thinking 165-168gr so I don't have to buy different bullets for the two guns.

    In .308 you want 1:10 twist.  If you want very long heavy VLD bullets for long range shooting way out beyond 600 yards, you might want 1:9 or even 1:8 (but it will not shoot lighter stuff) but that seems not to be your intended use.

    I've never been a big fan of the Ruger 77 from the standpoint of pinpoint accuracy.  it is a good hunting rifle, but not really suitable for a sub MOA type build.

    A good used Remington 700 in .308 can be tuned to get you where you want to be.  The barrels tend to be pretty good.  Free float the barrel and bed the action or replace it with a good aftermarket synthetic and you are good to go.  The aftermarket is huge.
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    Re: .308 bolt gun desire - need some help
    « Reply #5 on: November 17, 2015, 12:15:36 am »
    What about barrel length?  Do I gain anything with a barrel longer than 22"?
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    Re: .308 bolt gun desire - need some help
    « Reply #6 on: November 17, 2015, 09:57:51 pm »
    Not much unless you are going for a long range gun with heavy bullet loads.   Anything from 20-24 inches would work OK for most applications.    I would agree with the 1 in 10" twist as being right for most loads.   

    I have a Ruger American in 30/06 .   Its OK - considering what I paid for it.  I haven't been able to get mine to do MOA yet but that may be the shooter more than the rifle.  It is butt ugly but functional as a hunting gun for my purposes.  If I were to do the whole thing over again, though, I might have saved up a little more coin and sprung for something else.  Maybe a Weatherby Vanguard or a Browning A-Bolt or maybe even a Tikka.   None of those rifles require a second mortgage and they are all a bit more pleasing to the eye than my Ruger.
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    Re: .308 bolt gun desire - need some help
    « Reply #7 on: November 17, 2015, 10:05:19 pm »
    The Walmart $377 Model 700 ADL combo is muchambered gun for the money.  I don't like the new trigger, but you can live with it.  Sell the scope and mount on ebay as they are not worth messing with.  Maybe you get $20

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