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Pistol die question
« on: July 30, 2013, 09:00:22 am »
Hello, new to reloading and WTA. As I am getting setup for reloading I have come across 3 and 4 die sets for pistols. I know that the extra die is a dedicated crimping die, but is it worth the extra cost? I will be reloading 9mm, .40 s&w, and .45acp. I appreciate any and all wisdom from the tribe.
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    Re: Pistol die question
    « Reply #1 on: July 30, 2013, 10:39:43 am »
    Usually the extra die in a 3-die set (most rifle die sets are 2-die sets) is a separate neck expander die.  There is no way to avoid the cost of that die as there is no way to put an expander button that large on the decapping pin spindle to accommodate a straight wall case.  Now if you are talking about the cost between a steel and carbide pistol die set then yes, the extra cost is worth it as you are eliminating an extra (messy) step of lubricating cases for resizing.
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    Re: Pistol die question
    « Reply #2 on: July 30, 2013, 11:17:38 am »
    These are Lee carbide sets. The 3 die set comes with a resizer/decapper, powder through expanding, and bullet seater. The seater also has an adjustable crimp built in. The 4 die set has the same three as before but adds a factory crimp die. It's only about $15 more so not a big deal. I just don't want to have a die laying around that I never use.

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    Re: Pistol die question
    « Reply #3 on: July 30, 2013, 12:37:54 pm »
    I love my factory crimp die and if I buy a set that doesn't come with one then I buy it separately.  The separate die works awesome and if you require a heavier crimp then you want to use a separate die as you will crumple some cases with the seater/crimp die.  It's worth the money IMO.
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    Re: Pistol die question
    « Reply #4 on: July 30, 2013, 01:11:36 pm »
    As to handguns I only load 40 S&W, 9mm Luger and 38 Special/.357 mag.   All those die sets are currently carbide.  All are three die sets.  Sometimes I do wish I had a separate crimp die, but not enough to go buy one.  With three die sets I prefer to do the crimp operation separately with a readjustment of the die for the crimp.  Takes a little more time, but no more than having the separate crimp die.   The extra step produces better results for me.

    As stated above, you can always buy a separate crimp die later, if you really want one.  But get carbide or you will wish you did.
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    Re: Pistol die question
    « Reply #5 on: July 30, 2013, 06:50:36 pm »
    There is a pretty big difference between the crimper in the seater die and the Lee factory crimp die.  Depending on what caliber you are loading, the seater die will either have a roll or taper crimp feature and sometimes they aren't machined uniformly or they can get a thin brass coating on it and will give an inconsistent crimp.  The Lee factory crimp die uses a collet which gives an extremely uniform crimp without deforming the brass or screwing with the headspace with rimless cases.
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    Re: Pistol die question
    « Reply #6 on: July 30, 2013, 07:27:49 pm »
    Thanks for all of the advice. I am definitely going to buy the sets with the factory crimp die. Now I just have to find powder and primers in stock.....
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    Re: Pistol die question
    « Reply #7 on: July 30, 2013, 07:34:56 pm »
    Another bonus of the Factory Crimp Die with .40 is when you get cases with the "Glock Bulge," you pull the guts out of the crimp die and you have a push-thru resizer to get rid of that pesky bulge.
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    Re: Pistol die question
    « Reply #8 on: July 30, 2013, 10:31:29 pm »
    Another bonus of the Factory Crimp Die with .40 is when you get cases with the "Glock Bulge," you pull the guts out of the crimp die and you have a push-thru resizer to get rid of that pesky bulge.

    Now THAT is a great idea.  Thanks!
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    Re: Pistol die question
    « Reply #9 on: July 30, 2013, 11:17:59 pm »
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