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Slipstream on Dies
« on: January 08, 2011, 01:31:07 pm »
I just got a set of Carbide dies for .40S&W, which I know eliminate the requirement for case lube. I'm wondering if Slipstreaming the insides of my non-carbide dies, like .223Rem would mean I don't need to lube those cases, either.

Any thoughts?
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    Re: Slipstream on Dies
    « Reply #1 on: January 08, 2011, 01:45:41 pm »
    Only one way to find out!

    For myself I've found case lubing stuff for my needs.  Hornady One Shot spray for 223 and Imperial wax for every 4th or 5th case.  For 30 cal (308/30-06/7.62x39) I use the wax on each case.  The wax works great for everything including 223, it's just that the spray stuff is much faster and easier if it will work.  I find that the one-shot doesn't work as well as the wax for the 30 cal cases, though, and I get sticking if I don't use the wax.  Slipstream might work all right but in order to properly coat each case, you might need to use more than you'd care to.

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    Re: Slipstream on Dies
    « Reply #2 on: January 08, 2011, 02:05:48 pm »
    I was actually thinking in terms of the permanent nature of Slipstream. Crusader says it works itself into the metal with friction during operation of the gun. Well, there's plenty of friction going on in a resizing die. I'm thinking a couple very light coatings of Slipstream inside the die might make a steel die permanently low-friction, like a carbide die.

    I've been using Dillion case lube on a lubing pad for my .223 with no complaints. When I first started, I used supplies that were available locally, and the Dillon lube was on the shelf. Haven't tried anything else.
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    Re: Slipstream on Dies
    « Reply #3 on: January 08, 2011, 02:12:33 pm »
    Try rubbing in the Slipstream grease into the die... all around it.  Might work.
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    Re: Slipstream on Dies
    « Reply #4 on: January 08, 2011, 03:34:51 pm »
    I used it on a C-clamp yesterday:) I'm finding all sorts of non-traditional uses for it, seems great so far;) Granted it's awful expensive for general purpose lubricant but the places that have needed it it's done well;) I say give it a go!

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    Re: Slipstream on Dies
    « Reply #5 on: January 08, 2011, 05:46:41 pm »
    The "permanent" nature of it may make it a pain in the [email protected]# to get OFF the case. Use case lube - it's cheap and wipes off with a clean rag or towel in one pass.
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    « Reply #6 on: January 08, 2011, 06:13:53 pm »
    The "permanent" nature of it may make it a pain in the [email protected]# to get OFF the case. Use case lube - it's cheap and wipes off with a clean rag or towel in one pass.

    That.

    Slippery cases are a bad thing. You want them to be able to adhere to the chamber walls during firing, without that sticktion your bolt thrust could increase to problematic levels.
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    Re: Slipstream on Dies
    « Reply #7 on: January 08, 2011, 08:49:44 pm »
    Got it. Case lube it is! It's cheaper anyway.
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    Re: Slipstream on Dies
    « Reply #8 on: January 08, 2011, 09:48:17 pm »
    That.

    Slippery cases are a bad thing. You want them to be able to adhere to the chamber walls during firing, without that sticktion your bolt thrust could increase to problematic levels.

    That proves that I know nothing about reloading;)

    So ignore my advice there;)
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    Re: Slipstream on Dies
    « Reply #9 on: January 08, 2011, 10:58:31 pm »
    You lube the Die once.  Rub it in really good.  Run a couple cases through, wipe out the excess.  Then the rest of the cases slip out of the die but wont carry Slipstream into the Chamber.  Maybe, just maybe... you would never have to lube a case again.  I think you would be just fine.
    This is just a theory.
    However, I wonder about ST-1 Permalubing the inside of the Die...   :hmm
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    Re: Slipstream on Dies
    « Reply #10 on: January 09, 2011, 12:52:50 am »
    However, I wonder about ST-1 Permalubing the inside of the Die...   :hmm

    What I've seen on my ST-1 upper (Haven't had reason to disassemble the Crusader Lower) is that there's a lot of excess Slipstream. My fingers were silver when I finished just installing the buffer and BCG. That's great for transferring some magic ingredient to the upper receiver. That's too much for a die (from what I've read here). It's gotta be "worn into" the die by friction before someone uses it for reloading. Gotta avoid that transfer to the case.
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    « Reply #11 on: January 09, 2011, 12:27:13 pm »
    That's why you run a few cases to work the SS in and get rid of the excess.  Then you are fine.  Only wasted 2 or 3 cases.  Which wouldn't be a problem in any cartridge that's not for an Auto-Loader.
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    Re: Slipstream on Dies
    « Reply #12 on: January 09, 2011, 01:40:37 pm »
    I only reload for autoloaders.
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    « Reply #13 on: January 09, 2011, 03:41:49 pm »
    I was meaning, after the first few cases, you wont have a problem - even in an auto.  But those first few cases wouldn't be a problem if you had a bolt action or lever action.

    So what you are saying is that you need some Bolt Actions and Lever Actions and Revolvers.
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    Re: Slipstream on Dies
    « Reply #14 on: January 10, 2011, 10:32:02 pm »
    I will stick with one-shot or dillon spray lubes and imperial sizing wax myself, in about the exact usages xquidgator likes in this case.  One of those if it ain't broke types.
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