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Rifle Carbide Dies or Not
« on: January 06, 2014, 02:56:25 pm »
So I'm getting ready to order some stuff from Dillon.  My question is that I'm planning to reload 308.  Should I go with Carbide dies or regular dies?  The difference is about $100.  In the long run, it's not a big deal.  But is it noticeably different? All cases will be lubed.
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    Re: Rifle Carbide Dies or Not
    « Reply #1 on: January 06, 2014, 03:06:48 pm »
    I don't think you'll notice any significant difference in lever effort or anything like that.

    If you reload a truly enormous amount of ammo the carbide dies should last longer though.
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    Re: Rifle Carbide Dies or Not
    « Reply #2 on: January 06, 2014, 03:25:30 pm »
    So are you saying that the main advantage to Carbide is usage life?  I could probably see myself reloading a couple of thousand rounds a year for right now since all I have is a bolt.  Plus, the new fangled thing is the 6.5 creedmore, so I may eventually buy a new rifle and change calibers.

    I also thought there was something about cases getting stuck less with Carbide.  For pistol cartridges, not a big issue, but for rifle, I don't know.
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    Re: Rifle Carbide Dies or Not
    « Reply #3 on: January 06, 2014, 03:46:11 pm »
    In a rifle die I don't think carbide makes it any less likely to stick a case. Carbide pistol dies do because the straight walls allow them to just use a ring for resizing instead of the entire length of the case, so there's a lot less friction.
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    Re: Rifle Carbide Dies or Not
    « Reply #4 on: January 06, 2014, 03:47:32 pm »
    You might talk to Gundoc about having the inside of your dies given a permanent slipstream treatment though. That ought to make them a bit less sticky (though lubing would still be in order).
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    Re: Rifle Carbide Dies or Not
    « Reply #5 on: January 07, 2014, 04:02:01 pm »
    You still have to lube rifle cases with both steel & carbide sizer dies and IMO the extra price isn't worth it.  I reload a pretty good amount of .308 and my steel resizer die hasn't had a single case stuck in it yet.  YMMV.
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    Re: Rifle Carbide Dies or Not
    « Reply #6 on: January 07, 2014, 04:05:41 pm »
    Slipstreaming the neck expander ball might make better sense as the "weak spot" in bottle necked cases is insufficient or no lube on the inside of the neck which will cause excessive stretching and also getting stuck.  I haven't got any .308 cases stuck but I had a small handful of .223 and it was locked up on the expander ball.  Food for thought.

    You might talk to Gundoc about having the inside of your dies given a permanent slipstream treatment though. That ought to make them a bit less sticky (though lubing would still be in order).

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    Re: Rifle Carbide Dies or Not
    « Reply #7 on: January 11, 2014, 01:12:04 am »
    I like to get rid of expander ball altogether.  This is done by carefully honing the necks of the sizing die until proper neck tension is achieved.

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