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Reloading Ettiquite
« on: April 22, 2010, 06:48:55 pm »
So I was talking with a gun nut friend of mine.  He really should be on this forum.  Anyway he offered to help me reload ammo at his house.  He has a progressive press setup in .45 acp.   ;D  He said just pickup some bullets and we'll reload.

So should I also buy primers and powder?  I save my brass so I'll bring that.

Now I am a reloading noob, so what powder and primers should I get?  I plan on buying some 230 grain JHP's.

I'd also like to reload some .30-06 for the old M1 any suggestions there?

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    Re: Reloading Ettiquite
    « Reply #1 on: April 22, 2010, 06:58:08 pm »
    If you don't bring your own powder and primers, I'd offer to pay for his.

    I've never loaded for .45 ACP, but I use Titegroup for most non-magnum pistol loading. A little goes a long way, which is nice economically but you have to be very careful since a double or triple charge will easily fit in most cases. You might just ask what powder your friend is using for .45, to minimize fiddling  with his powder measure.

    For the M1, your choices are pretty much limited to 4895 (in either the IMR or Hodgdon flavors) or IMR 4064.
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    « Reply #2 on: April 22, 2010, 06:58:49 pm »
    I would suggest you bring the powder and primers, if possible, or 'buy' them from him unless you're only making maybe a hundred or so rounds.

    For 45ACP,
    1) I would suggest Winchester 231 powder which ought to be in the neighborhood of $22-$26 per pound in one pound jugs.

    2) For primers, you need Large Pistol (LP) primers.  Any brand that you can find ought to be fine, but if there's a selection, I'd suggest first Winchester or CCI brand, then Wolf, then the others.  I believe from what I've read that Federal and Remington primers may be softer than other brands, meaning they go bang with less impact.  My Lee brand priming setup says to only use Winchester or CCI primers in it for safety reasons.

    3) The bullet is up to you.  If you're not going to load that many, perhaps splurge and buy some FMJ 230 grain bullets.  If loading a bunch for plinking, I would recommend cast lead 230LRNs if you can find them (less expensive per round).


    For 30-06, IMR-4064 works well for me (powder).  I've been using Winchester Large Rifle (LR) primers but believe on a swag that again CCI/Winchester would be premium, then Wolf brand, then the others.  For semi-auto rifles a softer primer is possibly problematic with respect to susceptibility to slam fires.  If loading for a bolt gun don't worry about that,  and probably any brand of primer would be ok.

    If loading for "gas guns" such as the M1 Garand, here are a couple of rules of thumb I found somewhere that I think are good ones:
    1) NEVER shoot bullets HEAVIER than 180 grains
    2) NEVER load powder that is SLOWER than IMR 4320

    Now, IMR4064 is slower than 4320 but lots of people use it (including me) without any apparent problems.  Just be careful because with a gas-operated rifle, you not only have to observe max chamber pressure limits per the reloading tables, but you also have to not exceed the pressure limits on the gas piston and the gas system down at the muzzle end of the rifle.  A too-slow burning powder that meets chamber pressure specs can still over-pressurize the gas port and damage the piston. 

    I would also suggest using a 30-06 case gauge to ensure the 30-06 cases are properly sized and headspaced, although it's not strictly necessary.  To paraphrase the CMP, if you're not sure what all that means, hold off and don't reload for your M1 just yet.  Pistol reloading is much easier and less fuss than rifle, and I would recommend do some pistol reloading first before launching into reloading for rifle, especially an M1.

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    Re: Reloading Ettiquite
    « Reply #3 on: April 22, 2010, 07:04:56 pm »
    Easiest is to find out what he's using, and buy the same powder.  I did that with a friend, who simply refilled his powder measure back up to the same point after we were done.

    That was using Bullseye, if I recall correctly.



    On the M1, ditto the 4895 for 150 gr. bullets.  Maybe even heavier.  I've got a dozen or so 165 gr. bullets loaded up in varying charges using (I think) IMR 4130 4350, that I'm going to try once I get the new scope mounted.  Though my '06 isn't a Garand, it's a Mauser.


    edited to cite correct powder.  Lousy memory.
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    Re: Reloading Ettiquite
    « Reply #4 on: April 22, 2010, 07:23:16 pm »
    Bring your own primers.  You may not use them, but they'll be good to give as replacements.  Do you know how many rounds you will be loading?  I believe I got about 1000 rounds of .45ACP out of 1 pound of Titegroup.

    Or maybe pay your friend .10 per round for primer and powder.  That should more than compensate for component costs.  Heck, since it's your friend, you might offer .15 - .20 cents per round.  Better than you pay him more than insult him with a low ball price.
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    « Reply #5 on: April 22, 2010, 07:45:06 pm »
    Also, if you are shooting with a group, use a marker to mark the butt of your rounds. that way when clean up is done, nobody gets blamed for being a brass snatcher. And don't forget, reloading and beer does not go togeather. (Remind me to tell you about a friend, spilled primers, concrete floor, Rhino heeled boots, and the "primer dance".)
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    Re: Reloading Ettiquite
    « Reply #6 on: April 23, 2010, 02:55:25 pm »
    No one else has asked this, so I will.

    Do you have an adjustable gas plug in your M1?  If so, you can use any load data you like, and then adjust your gas plug accordingly.

    If you don't have an adjustable gas plug, but have the mil-spec solid plug, then get a Hornady reloading manual.  They have a section dedicated to the M1 Garand and list loads that will be safe for your op-rod.

    Down the road if you decide you want to save some money, you can shoot cast bullets in your Garand.  I have been running Lee 200 gr gas check lubed with Felix Lube, sized .310 over 42 gr of H4831 + 1/4 sheet of toilet paper.  This load gives me 1" groups at 50 yards and cycles the gun just fine.  Cost to me per round is about ยข20.

    As far as powder and primer, ask him what he is set up for and where he recommends you get some.  He will probably tell you to just come on over.
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    Re: Reloading Ettiquite
    « Reply #7 on: April 23, 2010, 03:36:18 pm »
    Thanks guys.  I appreciate the feedback.  I think we'll just do .45 auto for now.  Before I go over there I'm going to call him and ask all the good Q's.
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    « Reply #8 on: April 25, 2010, 03:58:14 pm »
    That's the best way.  Ask him what he wants ran through his press.  Some folks are very particular about what the will put through their presses.
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