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Obeone

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Reloading 223 and 308 options
« on: January 30, 2009, 04:19:33 pm »
I plan on starting to reload 223 and 308 here shortly.  I already reload for pistol rounds, (mainly 45 and 10mm right now) with a Dillon 550.  I plan on using this press as well since I do want to load a lot of volume.  At some point I will work up some loads for accuracy, and will probably get a single stage for that.
I looking at advice on dies bullets and powders.  I was looking at getting the Dillon carbide die 3 pack.  I have had good luck with them on pistol, and it seems that they would work well for high volume in rifle as well.  Would I be better off getting a different set or peasmealing it?  Maybe Hornady?
I would like to have one powder that would work for both, but I know that can be a tall order, especially since I want to use a progressive press.  Some powders just don't work that well at metering.  Varget looks like it might be a good choice, but I am not sure if it will meter that well.
Oh yeah, these will be shot out of AR type guns, both the 223 and 308. 
I would like to not have too many different loads, since I would like to streamline as much as I can.  The Use will be for blasting, competition, ect.  I would like it to as work well for more serious work as well.
So, Any suggestions?
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    Re: Reloading 223 and 308 options
    « Reply #1 on: January 31, 2009, 07:28:09 pm »
    Varget does work well in both calibers, so that's not a bad starting point.  And the dillon dies are wide radiused at the mouth for use in progressive presses, so I'd say run 'em.
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    Re: Reloading 223 and 308 options
    « Reply #2 on: January 31, 2009, 10:52:33 pm »
    I use Varget quite a bit in .270, .308, and .30-06.  It meters fine for me.

    I use BLC(2) in .223.  I could use Varget, but just prefer BLC(2).

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    Re: Reloading 223 and 308 options
    « Reply #3 on: January 31, 2009, 11:03:57 pm »
    Varget, seemed like it might be good for all my uses, I was just worried it wouldn't meter well.
    Any suggestions on bullets? I was looking on the heavy side especially for 223, like between 60-80 grs as long as they would work in an AR. 
    For 308 I was looking somewhere around 150 grs.  At some point I was looking at my long range load using 155s like a Scenar or maybe the SMK Palma, but that is a little ways off.  I have seen others have gotten good results with Varget so I like the Idea of only having one powder.
    I would like to do maybe one or two bullets for each.  Is there one that any one likes that works well that is relatively inexpensive and has good performance?
    I am more looking for options right now; I don't have anything definite in mind.
    Thanks for the advice so far.
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    Re: Reloading 223 and 308 options
    « Reply #4 on: February 01, 2009, 02:18:01 pm »
    Your bullet weight specs in 223 has me a bit worried.  What's your twist rate?  Given the weight range you posted, I'd strongly suggest a 1/8 or 1/7 barrel.  One in nine barrels get real iffy above 65 grains, IME.
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    Re: Reloading 223 and 308 options
    « Reply #5 on: February 01, 2009, 05:01:54 pm »
    I knew that, but I forgot.  Didn't cross my mind.  I believe two of the three rifles I have are 1/9, an Armalite carbine upper and a Kel-tec.  The other is a Carbine from Eagle Arms.  I guess I should be at the lower end of that.
    I was thinking about trying to replicate the TAP loads.  They seem to be pretty good and if I reload something similar, I have something I can buy if needed.  For 223, I guess I should look at the 60Gr version to replicate.  Would it be a problem not having a cannelure since I plan on using it in an AR?
    I am not set on a certain powder or that I have to use it for both if it causes problems.  Another powder I read the might work well is H-335 since I want to use a Dillon and use the load in an AR.
    I guess I am looking at options and use other people's experiences so I don't have to replicate the same problems others had, just because I wouldn't ask the question.
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    Re: Reloading 223 and 308 options
    « Reply #6 on: February 01, 2009, 10:35:28 pm »
    What are you expecting these 223 slugs to do?  Punch paper, or more serious work?
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    Re: Reloading 223 and 308 options
    « Reply #7 on: February 02, 2009, 12:45:12 am »
    Well, for both the 223 and 308, I was hoping to find something that would do both. 
    I was hoping to have something that I could use to blast and practice with, but would also work well in more serious work.
    Since I am reloading it, whatever I do will be cheaper than something I could comparatively buy.  Besides I do like making my own, not as much as shooting it, but still. 
    I could just load a FMJ, and duplicate a mil load, but since I don't I figured I would max the performance.  That's why I was looking at maybe replicating the TAP loads.  But I don't know how well that would work.  Maybe I should buy a little and see how it works in my rifles before I go too far down that road.
    I guess I am tiring to find one or two do it all loads for both the 223 and 308.
    I hope that is clear enough.
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    Re: Reloading 223 and 308 options
    « Reply #8 on: February 02, 2009, 08:00:18 am »
    Well you're on the right track, since you want to duplicate the TAP loadings, just get a couple boxes of the Hornady slugs and try them out.  I got lucky once, had a Bushmaster with a 1/9 barrel that actually stabilized 75 grain slugs.  So you'll never know until you try.
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    Re: Reloading 223 and 308 options
    « Reply #9 on: February 02, 2009, 08:16:34 pm »
    Thanks.
    If you have any pet loads that might work well, I am also willing to give them a try.  While I like building up different loads to see what works best, I figure there is enough knowledge out there that I don't have to start from scratch.
    Other than replicating TAP loads, are there any others that I might want to take a look at?
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    Re: Reloading 223 and 308 options
    « Reply #10 on: March 28, 2009, 12:17:37 am »
    Finally got a chance to pick up some of the steal cased Hornaday 75 gr loads and tested them in my rifles.  Did 10 rounds a piece and didn't have any problems with keyholeing.  Seems like I will be good to go.
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    Re: Reloading 223 and 308 options
    « Reply #11 on: April 22, 2009, 03:49:36 pm »
    Just as an FYI those Hornady (TAP) loads aren't steel cased, they're a black nickel coating for better loading and less corrosion (at least according to the website).

    FYI, typically steel cases are the cheaper ammo which TAP definitely is not.

    Carry on.

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    Re: Reloading 223 and 308 options
    « Reply #12 on: April 22, 2009, 11:12:19 pm »
    Agreed, The TAP load is not, but there is a 75 grain load in a steel case that comes 50 to a box.  A magnet sticks to it. 
    That load is NOT TAP, but I did get it to test out heavier loads. IT did lok like the same bullet.
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