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Question #1: .40s&w load advice
« on: September 20, 2013, 01:44:46 am »
In a twist of irony, it now seems that I will be switching my primary sidearm to a Gen2 Glock.  I wanted a model 19, but after months of waiting for  a used one to come in, the LGS has a nice model 23 that I like. 

So...  This will be my first .40, and I have no idea of who makes the best loads, what the best bullet weights are, etc.  Basically, I know nothing about .40s.  Any and all advice or guidance is requested.

ETA: Does anyone know what bullet weight the Glock factory sights are regulated for?

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« Last Edit: September 20, 2013, 02:07:18 am by Kaso »

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    Re: Question #1: .40s&w load advice
    « Reply #1 on: September 20, 2013, 07:36:36 am »
    I don't know which chambering they're regulated for, but the 180gr weight seems to be pretty standard.

    We use the Federal 180 gr HST and it seems to work just dandy.

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    Re: Question #1: .40s&w load advice
    « Reply #2 on: September 20, 2013, 08:02:06 am »
    +1 on 180gr.  We are issued the Winchester "Ranger Bonded SXT" which I think is the same as the PDX.  Winchester, for one reason or another seems to have a lock on the local market at the moment as the other companies and agencies that I know of that use .40, use the same load.

    I don't think there is much to choose from between the Winchester PDX, the Federal HST, or the Speer Gold dot.  They all seem to have similar construction and expansion characteristics.
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    Re: Question #1: .40s&w load advice
    « Reply #3 on: September 20, 2013, 09:14:39 am »
    likewise.  we've have very consistent results with 180 gr loads.   we've switched brands several times over the years and noticed no difference in POA/POI.   currently using BVAC 180gr JHP.

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    Re: Question #1: .40s&w load advice
    « Reply #4 on: September 20, 2013, 09:35:47 am »
    The 180 gr loadings seem to be a good compromise between heavy-hitting .45 ACP-type weight and reasonable recoil. Everyone likes to gripe about how snappy the .40 is compared to the "push" style recoil of the .45, but my M&P seems more like a 9mm than anything. Some of the 155-165 gr loadings are really stepping out and can be a little harsh, but I have no complaints about the 180, in either FMJ training or defensive ammo configuration.

    I know that the .40 is a compromise caliber, and, like any great compromise, everyone hates it. In my mind, however, it really does a great job of giving you almost-.45 performance with almost-9mm capacity and with very easy shootability. The .40 is a homerun in my book, and the 180gr load is about perfect, IMHO.

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    Re: Question #1: .40s&w load advice
    « Reply #5 on: September 20, 2013, 09:57:59 am »
      I'm kinda ambivalent towards the .40S&W, it's just what I'm issued. I'll carry anything so long as it works. The .40S&W is the modern autoloading equivalent to the late 1880's .38-40 and that's a good thing. The .38-40 had a fine reputation and so does the .40S&W. You don't get those by sucking.
      It should be noted that the USBP issued a 155gr JHP from when they transitioned to the Beretta 96D back in the early-mid90's until shortly after the switch to the H&K P2000 in the same caliber. The 155gr. JHP proved too harsh on the new P2000 and the USBP went to the 180gr. JHP to help ensure a longer life for their new sidearms.
      By the way, the only ill effect the 155 gr. had on the 96D was accelerated locking block wear & cracking of locking block "wings"....no bother, it's a part easily replaced.
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    Re: Question #1: .40s&w load advice
    « Reply #6 on: September 21, 2013, 12:11:45 am »
    180gr.?  Sounds good.  That seems to be the most common, but I have seen 135, 155, 165, 170,  175, 180, and 200 grain weights, so I was not sure what to look at.

    Any preferences as far as HP bullet design?  What practice ammo should I look at?

     

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    Re: Question #1: .40s&w load advice
    « Reply #7 on: September 21, 2013, 12:54:43 am »
      I don't think there's really any preference.....The GoldDot, PDX, and HST are all probably so close in performance as to be indistinguishable. As far as training ammo.....nearly all of the fmj I've seen from Win, Rem, Speer and Fed all are comparable and are all fmj flatpoints. All good ammo. The G23 and 180gr ammo will make for an excellent combo. I think you'll like it.
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    Re: Question #1: .40s&w load advice
    « Reply #8 on: September 21, 2013, 10:12:34 am »
    with the prices we have from our distributor,  there is no practical difference between "Duty" and "Practice",  so we only purchase, train with and carry "Duty" loads.



    180gr.?  Sounds good.  That seems to be the most common, but I have seen 135, 155, 165, 170,  175, 180, and 200 grain weights, so I was not sure what to look at.

    Any preferences as far as HP bullet design?  What practice ammo should I look at?

     

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    Re: Question #1: .40s&w load advice
    « Reply #9 on: September 21, 2013, 11:28:36 am »
    I prefer the 180's.  Don't think of it as a 9mm's big brother.   Think of it as .45's slightly smaller brother that brings a lot more friends to the party.
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    Re: Question #1: .40s&w load advice
    « Reply #10 on: September 21, 2013, 02:48:32 pm »
    with the prices we have from our distributor,  there is no practical difference between "Duty" and "Practice",  so we only purchase, train with and carry "Duty" loads.
    Unfortunately, I do not have access to those price breaks, and so am unable to afford $1+ per round duty ammo for general practice. 



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    Re: Question #1: .40s&w load advice
    « Reply #11 on: September 21, 2013, 07:04:03 pm »
    Yeah, me either. I find that 180gr FMJ is really close in feel to 180gr HST, so I use the cheap stuff after I make sure the gun runs with HST.

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    Re: Question #1: .40s&w load advice
    « Reply #12 on: September 22, 2013, 07:57:23 am »
    I have a Gen 2 Glock model 22 (.40 S&W).  I use 180 FMJ for practice, whatever I find cheapest from Rem or Win.  Note that early Glocks like mine and perhaps yours have a little less chamber support than newer ones and can be subject to the "Glock Bulge" of cases with max power loads, especially hot handloads.  I don't get that bulge, even with the handloads I have carefully worked up with Barnes Bullets for for my carry magazine.

    This phenomenon seems to vary from barrel to barrel on the gen 1 and gen 2 .40 Glocks.  Some guys replace the barrel to be safe.  There are a few reported cases of kaboom with hot loads.  If you don't have a noticeable case bulge, don't worry about it.  Probably want to avoid all "+P" loads, and all handloads, unless you work them up yourself.

    The gun could have already had a replacement barrel installed.  If so, disregard this post.

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    Re: Question #1: .40s&w load advice
    « Reply #13 on: September 22, 2013, 09:38:02 pm »
    I'm a guy that doesn't reload.  Even if I did, I am stepping up from 9mm's, so a .40 Short&Weak is still a bit more power than I have now...  I'll stick with standard pressure loads.



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