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Must...not...strangle...the....cat!!!
« on: January 06, 2009, 09:07:07 pm »
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Didn't take long to screw up my new toys.

Got my nice new .308 set of dies today, and set to making a box of .308 to try out with my new M1A.  Got greedy while resizing the 20th case and thought I could force it in there and make it work (resizing).   It was lubed, just was one of those rough ones I should have thrown away when I felt it starting to stick. Half an hour later, a broken spare drill bit (impromtu drift punch), that damn thing is still STUCK in there!   :cuss :cuss :cuss :cuss :cuss :cuss  Gotta send it in to Lee.

I did this with a 7.62x39 sizing die last year and had to send it to Lee for them to unstick it.  This isn't the end of the world, it's only $4 plus another $5 or so to ship it there, but DAMN IT!!  Now I won't be able to work up a set of reloads past these first 20 er 19 rounds for a week or two until I get it back.  Damn it damn it damn it damn it damn it damn it damn it.   :banghead

Ok, this time tell me I learned my lesson, surely I won't stick a case in a sizing die this badly a 3rd time now?   :cuss  I hate doing stupid stuff. :vomit

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    Re: Must...not...strangle...the....cat!!!
    « Reply #1 on: January 06, 2009, 09:27:07 pm »
    There is a stuck case tool you can get.... Brownells or Midway should have them.
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    « Reply #2 on: January 06, 2009, 10:12:01 pm »
    There is a stuck case tool you can get.... Brownells or Midway should have them.

    Midway has quite a few:
    http://www.midwayusa.com/Search/Default.aspx#stuck%20case____-_1-2-4_8-16-32

    I've had a few .223s stick on me, does anyone have a favorite stuck case puller?
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    « Reply #3 on: January 06, 2009, 10:21:37 pm »
    Are these tools manufacturer-specific?  I'm using Lee dies, and think I've exhausted their remedies.  The Lee instructions say to loosen the top holding the expander, and to the use a drift punch and heavy hammer to tap the stuck case using the decapper to push it out.  I worked up to a heavy mallet and a drift punch, no movement at all.  I could hit it harder, but think maybe I should quit before I'm too far behind.  I've stuck cases before but this is only the 2nd time I got one this stuck.  I used to have problems with 223s sticking but I quit trying to force the sizer down on cases that seemed sticky for whatever reason.   Just got a little too greedy with this .308 case, I should have given up and just thrown it away... crap.

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    « Reply #4 on: January 08, 2009, 12:56:04 am »
    The key here lies in the physics.  You need mass and inertia, not just raw energy.  You want a heavy punch(that weighs as much as the whole die, if not more) and a heavy hammer.  Firm tap.


    If that fails, isn't a new die almost cheaper than shipping yours out?

    I feel you pain.  Stuck a 223 case BUT GOOD once(Forgot to lube it :banghead).  Tore the whole rim off it trying to pull it out.
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    « Reply #5 on: January 08, 2009, 08:11:08 am »
    The key here lies in the physics.  You need mass and inertia, not just raw energy.  You want a heavy punch(that weighs as much as the whole die, if not more) and a heavy hammer.  Firm tap.


    If that fails, isn't a new die almost cheaper than shipping yours out?

    I feel you pain.  Stuck a 223 case BUT GOOD once(Forgot to lube it :banghead).  Tore the whole rim off it trying to pull it out.


    I think I need more mass and heft than is available in my little shop, so I mailed it off.  $4.50 for the postage and $4 in cash inside the envelope with it.  I haven't looked at prices of the individual dies, but since the 3 die set was only $23 then yes, a new sizer die would probably run $8 if I could just walk into one of the online places (not counting the shipping cost of course).  The other thing is that Lee 308 die sets are apparently in high demand now and I had to look around a bit to find that one at an online place.

    Oh well, it'll get fixed and I'll be back in business making 308 soon.  Now if only my M1 Garand would hurry up and get here from the CMP, I could start cranking out 30-06!

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    « Reply #6 on: January 09, 2009, 07:24:29 pm »
    Fool me once. . .shame on you :neener (1 stuck)
    Fool me twice. . .shame on me :banghead (2 stuck)
    Fool me three times. . .strangle the dam cat :cuss (three, four, five . . . .)

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    « Reply #7 on: January 13, 2009, 10:25:55 pm »
    Lee's stuck case instructions...made little sense to me.  I have a .30-06 case I stuck early on and that SOB is still in there.
    Used everything up to and including the 2lbs junior sledge.  Still looking at that die and cussing three years later.

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    « Reply #8 on: January 14, 2009, 12:10:15 am »
    I recall seeing a post for a fairly easy to make stuck case removal tool.  A bolt, a drill, a socket set.  I'll try to find the instructions.

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    Ah, here it is (I'm not guaranteeing it will work. Just posting what I read) :

    From this thread at THR: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=412818

    Here is what you need to remove the stuck case, and instructions on how to use it.

    13/64" drill bit to drill out flash hole

    1/4" Tap to tap the inside of the flash hole

    1/2" Socket (1/4" drive) goes up against die and allows stuck case to be pulled into it

    1/4" x 1 1/2" Washer on top of socket (keeps bolt from gouging the top of the socket)

    1/4" x 1" Machine bolt goes into threaded flash hole and is turned to pull case out
    If you need extra insurance, get the setup ready, leave the die in the feezer over night, then pull.
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    « Reply #9 on: January 14, 2009, 11:23:36 am »
    cpaspr's technique is totally correct. The only step I would add is to cinch the die in a vise while performing the steps. I have used this technique over the years more times than I want to admit. Plus, it has saved a bunch of moolah sending dies back and forth via snail mail.

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    « Reply #10 on: January 18, 2009, 10:54:55 am »
    Thanks guys for the info, I just learned a lot that I didn't know there was to learn!    :clap

    Lesson 1- I'll try the 1/4"-20 tap and bolt trick next time
    Lesson 2- I'll see about trying some Imperial sizing wax, lots of very positive opinions on it, and no love for Hornady one-shot.  (Think One-Shot was teh bomb I just bought 2 more cans of it- doh!)

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    « Reply #11 on: January 18, 2009, 01:08:03 pm »
    One shot IS the bomb for STRAIGHTWALL calibers.  Not so good with bottleneck calibers, IME.
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    « Reply #12 on: January 19, 2009, 02:44:28 pm »
    I have used quit a bit of different lubes for bottleneck cases and found that Imperial Sizing Wax is the best!  It also does not smell bad either.  It is cheap and you put a little on your fingers and enough gets on the case to lube it.  I do 3-5 .223 cases and wipe your fingers back in the wax.  Done lots of 223 and not even close to using a quarter of the pack.

    Tried Hornady case lube - stinks literally and was terrible with 223 cases.  Had one jamb in my Hornady die.
    Also tried Lee sizing lube in the tube and it worked fine just thought it was a pain to work with.
    Also tried Hornady case sizing lube with the pad and it was really messy but it worked fairly well.
    Got some Lyman case lube (spray can) but haven't tried it since the Imperial Sizing wax works so well....it is cheap too!

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    « Reply #13 on: January 28, 2009, 12:12:55 am »
    I have the RCBS stuck case tool kt. Used it twice.  Worked as advertised. cpaspers set sounds like it works about the same.

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    « Reply #14 on: January 28, 2009, 05:52:34 pm »
    I gotta keep more up to date on these posts.

    I just want to chirp in with a safety tip here:  Don't use a drill bit as a punch.  It's too hard, and the fragments caused by it shattering under impact can be injurious.

    That being said:  I have never come across the stuck case that I couldn't remove and this includes the time that a person of my acquaintance who shall remain nameless jammed a magnum rifle case from an oversize chamber into a die so hard that we snapped my reloading bench in half trying to extract it.

    There are too many methods to try to do it to list, but one that I haven't seen listed yet is tossing the die into the freezer over night.  In the morning, hit the die with good heat source like a torch.  Because of the different thermal expansion co-efficient of the steel and brass, you might be able to tap the case out then.
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    « Reply #15 on: January 30, 2009, 12:12:56 am »
    Get yourself a RCBS stuck case remover kit. They work with any brand dies and they work great. RCBS Stuck Case Remover Mfg Item Num: 9340

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    « Reply #16 on: January 30, 2009, 07:45:37 am »
    Where exactly does "the cat" fit into this scenario???

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    « Reply #17 on: February 08, 2009, 07:24:58 pm »
    Where exactly does "the cat" fit into this scenario???

    Our cat is laughing at me.

    I did try the Imperial Sizing Wax, got some from a friend.  That stuff is really great, I'll be buying a tub or two.

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    « Reply #18 on: February 10, 2009, 04:32:45 pm »
    I had a friend that got a 270 case stuck good in his Hornady dies.  I soaked it really good with Break Free and tapped very lightly to get it to soak in.  After a little soak time, I gripped the case head with some vice grips and tapped on the jaws with a hammer and it came out.

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    « Reply #19 on: April 02, 2009, 08:16:41 pm »
    I have stuck TWO .223 cases using One Shot (yes I was stupid enough to try it again).  One came out without too much fuss, but I bent the decapping pin (hornady die).  The second one I was able to remove from the die with a little tap-tap on the decapping pin (Lee die) and then couldn't pull the case off the expander ball!  Ended up cutting the neck open.  No more Hornady one shot on on rifle cases. 
    uh...hello...is this thing on?

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    « Reply #20 on: April 03, 2009, 06:04:54 am »
    I can relate all right.  I just did 200 223 cases and used one-shot (I had bought 3 cans of it before this last stuck case thing).  To be fair, One Shot works most of the time, I think I only had about 4 or 5 cases out of the 200 that would have been sticky and maybe gotten stuck if I relied only on the One Shot.  I have to hand it to Redding Imperial Sizing Wax again, that wax stuff is fantastic.  On the couple of cases that acted sticky, I relubed them with the wax and they resized easily.  I use the Imperial wax exclusively on the big cases like 308 and 30-06.

    I have stuck TWO .223 cases using One Shot (yes I was stupid enough to try it again).  One came out without too much fuss, but I bent the decapping pin (hornady die).  The second one I was able to remove from the die with a little tap-tap on the decapping pin (Lee die) and then couldn't pull the case off the expander ball!  Ended up cutting the neck open.  No more Hornady one shot on on rifle cases. 

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    « Reply #21 on: July 07, 2009, 02:48:04 pm »

       Yes I think i will go find my cats and strangle them too. I just BROKE BOTH of my Reloading presses today, they are Lee Precision single stage presses. Made of cast alluminum, Now before anyone says that Lee is junk, I have had these presses since 1995, With 1000's of rounds loaded on them. Guess it just gives me the excuse to buying a Dillon 550B package.
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    « Reply #22 on: October 19, 2009, 07:53:03 pm »
    Go ahead and strangle the cat.
    Get a stuck case remover.
    Get a spare die set, if you are only loading a few different sizes anyway, that keeps you from being "Down" if you get stuck.

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    « Reply #23 on: October 23, 2009, 06:56:56 pm »
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    I did try the Imperial Sizing Wax, got some from a friend.  That stuff is really great, I'll be buying a tub or two.
     And that will last you a long' long, long, long, etc. time....

    For those using the Hornady one shot case lube:

    I had the same results with bottleneck cases, and no longer use it on them.  For straight wall or slightly tapered cases though, it's the cat's meow.  Just in case you missed my first post on this stuff earlier in the thread. ;)
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    « Reply #24 on: October 23, 2009, 07:54:46 pm »
    Couldn't you just leave the die in the sun for a hour or so, then squirt inside the case with a CO2 powerlet?

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