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Improvised primer and gun power
« on: April 04, 2014, 01:16:22 pm »
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    Re: Improvised primer and gun power
    « Reply #1 on: April 04, 2014, 03:24:55 pm »
    Primers (and similar sensitive primary explosives) are the most difficult and dangerous part to manufacture.  And attempt to make an improvised blasting cap, for example, will as likely as not cost you some fingers if you don't know precisely what you're doing.

    You can make your own gunpowder.  It's going to be smoky and dirty, and may well clog up an autoloader, but it'll work in a wheel gun.
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    Re: Improvised primer and gun power
    « Reply #2 on: April 04, 2014, 05:24:08 pm »
    Yeah, as someone who has taken some explosives courses (nothing like NC has taken, but still), I can assure you that I want NOTHING to do with anything that has the words "improvised" and "explosive" in close proximity.

    If you're REALLY worried about access to primers in the future (not an illegitimate concern, I will agree), the best thing you can do right now is to start buying and stacking.

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    Re: Improvised primer and gun power
    « Reply #3 on: April 04, 2014, 05:46:09 pm »
    Ok, I'm going to preface this with the statement, "I don't know everything, but I can pretend to on the internet."

    So let's address this improvised ammo thing.

    First, my bona fides:  I'm not a real EOD or professionally qualified in any way with explosives.  However, I have a life long love of burning, launching, and blowing things up that began when I was a little boy.  My father, you see, was a blaster, and there is a mountain hereabouts that proudly displays his work.  As a precocious child, I listened to and remembered everything he said, and had his manuals and notes to consult besides.  I experimented a lot.  I gave off, as most amateurs do, after one really bad accident.

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    Anyway, I can see so many points in which that guy is lucky that he didn't blow his fingers off.

    That primer load alone is...  WTF?  Shake it too hard and it will detonate.

    Guys, this kind of extreme survival thinking has been around for many years.  I have a book from Paladin Press on how to make improvised ammo in exactly the same ways.  From 1979.

    It was dangerous and stupid in the 1980's.  It is still dangerous and stupid now.
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    Re: Improvised primer and gun power
    « Reply #4 on: April 04, 2014, 07:34:56 pm »
    Especially when proper ammo and components are both available. As I said, if you're concerned about ammo availability in the future (and, frankly, who would not be?), there is something that can be done RIGHT NOW, from the comfort of your computer chair, that is more effective and less dangerous.

    It just costs money. And it's less sexxxxxxy than thinking that you know how to MacGuyver up some primer from common household items, so take THAT, you ATF goons! But if I had the choice of knowing that I could whip up a primer from strike anywhere matches that might work, or that I had access to 10,000 (or a 100,000) primers in a climate-controlled environment that I know for a fact WILL work, I know exactly which I would choose.

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    Re: Improvised primer and gun power
    « Reply #5 on: April 04, 2014, 07:53:40 pm »
    I've reloaded primers in a similar way but used strike anywhere match heads. The large pistol primers worked best. There was a noticeable delay in the small pistol primers. The match head material combined with the strike pad material is essentially Armstrong's Mixture - a traditional priming chemical.

    I've never done it but if I used powdered match heads as a propellant I'd treat it like black powder and fill the cartridge to capacity. 

    I don't see this as especially dangerous - at least no more dangerous than driving in Dallas traffic.  :D

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    Re: Improvised primer and gun power
    « Reply #6 on: April 06, 2014, 02:56:00 am »
    As a kid I remember going through my dads training manual of what happens when homemade stuff goes bad. Thats enough for me. I like my fingers, eyes and other body parts and I would prefer them attached and shrapnel free.
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