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Good Starter Package
« on: May 04, 2013, 02:35:28 am »
I know this has been talked about before, but this has a twist.

My friend's wife has asked me to help her pick out a reloading setup for him. I taught him to load on my gear and he's planning to get set up in about 6 months. She wants to surprise him sooner.

So, since I actually know what I'm doing, and I know what he wants, I'm thinking I can do better than just a "starter kit" for him. He showed me a Rockchucker starter kit that he wants. I see some glaring things I want to change right off the bat, and a few "sold separately" items I want to add.

Using that kit as a baseline, what would you guys change? I want to put together a "Super starter kit." Let's try to stick to Midwayusa, for ease of his wife purchasing it.

1. I hate balance scales, and I taught him with a digital, so I'd put in a digital
2. He needs dies, and therefore bushings. Full set for .270Win goes on the list
3. ram priming system is not included, but I also hate hand-priming and the tools that do it
4. .270Win case gauge.

What else ya got?
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    Re: Good Starter Package
    « Reply #1 on: May 04, 2013, 07:07:57 am »
    1 - a thing or two of Redding Imperial Sizing Die Wax - friends don't let friends waste time and stick cases with those other inferior case lubes
    2 - a tumbler, media, and a bottle of Nu Finish or some other polish
    3- dial calipers, and some sort of case trimming tool.  Didn't see that in the kit description.
    4- one or two extra loading blocks maybe
    5-since you're going with a super starter kit, maybe another reloading manual in addition to the one that comes with.  I like the Speer manual ok but I like checking both the Speer and the Lyman manuals.


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    Re: Good Starter Package
    « Reply #2 on: May 06, 2013, 08:02:23 pm »
    Another loader at work suggested something interesting. I was playing with a shopping cart on Midway and had it around $500+, which is over the lady's budget. He suggested swapping the Rock-chucker for a Lee Reloader (C-press), which would knock about $100 off the package. The lucky husband would be able to upgrade later for about $130 for a Rockchucker and have the Lee as a small utility press for depriming and such.

    Anyone have one of those little Lee C-frames? Anyone heard bad reviews of it?
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    Re: Good Starter Package
    « Reply #3 on: May 06, 2013, 08:15:20 pm »
    I sort of went all out on mine.  Figured I might as well get it all done at once and spent $1500 or so on a Dillon 550 and all the accessories I'd need.     

    If you are looking at that route,  try http://brianenos.com/store/dillon.550.html   He has everything organized into packages and has a check list so you can get all you need in one stop.   He's pretty good with the customer service too.  After I made my order, he called and made sure I had everything I needed.


    He also has packages for the Square Deal, 650, and 1050.   
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    Re: Good Starter Package
    « Reply #4 on: May 07, 2013, 08:17:21 am »
    I have the smallest Lee C-frame press, I think I got it for about $20 a few years ago.  I got mine solely for the purpose of pushing home-cast bullets through a sizer die, but it ought to be ok for anything else too.  The pictures on the internet don't do it justice, it's pretty small (just large enough to be able to put rifle rounds in there) and almost looks like a small toy or model of a press.  It's not bad for what it is and I've never seen any sign that the "C" has been overtorqued or bent or anything like that.

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    « Reply #5 on: May 07, 2013, 10:54:23 am »
    I do most of my reloading on the Lee reloader press.  I also got mine for $20 for sizing bullets.  But it is just so handy and light.  I have it mounted to a piece of 1X6.  Add a couple of clamps and study object to clamp to and I have an "anywhere" reloading setup.

    I don't use it to full length size 30-06 from my Garands.  I have done it, but it is a bit of a chore. For about anything else, it works great.

    +1 on imperial sizing wax.

    -1 on ditching the balance scales.  To each his own, and I personally don't get to bent about .05 grains of powder.  Nearest 0.1 grains is good for me on pistol, margin is larger on rifle.  But, a balance scales properly used has much better precision.
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    Re: Good Starter Package
    « Reply #6 on: May 07, 2013, 02:35:50 pm »
    I sort of went all out on mine.  Figured I might as well get it all done at once and spent $1500 or so on a Dillon 550 and all the accessories I'd need.     

    If you are looking at that route,  try http://brianenos.com/store/dillon.550.html   He has everything organized into packages and has a check list so you can get all you need in one stop.   He's pretty good with the customer service too.  After I made my order, he called and made sure I had everything I needed.


    He also has packages for the Square Deal, 650, and 1050.   

    That's way outside her budget and way more capacity than the guy needs. He loaded up enough .223 for a decade on my XL650. He will use this maybe 20-50rd of .270 at a time.
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    Re: Good Starter Package
    « Reply #7 on: May 09, 2013, 03:46:03 pm »
    Since he's reloading hunting rounds, I'd add a powder trickler.  I set my powder measure to throw within a half grain or so of my desired weight, set it on the beam scale, then trickle the remainder in.  Works well enough to load .30-06 ammo consistent enough to shoot sub-MOA.

    Agree on the dial calipers.

    Not a fan of C-presses, due to the potential flex inherent in the design.

    I actually prefer hand-priming to priming on the press.  I've done both, and find that I get more consistent primer seating using the hand press.  Faster too.

    From some things I have read, digital scales can be susceptible to interference from fluorescent lighting.  Something to consider. 

    Either digital or beam scales, I'd add a set of check weights, to make sure whichever scale he has is accurate.

    Unless he can foresee actually using the larger 1-1/4"x12 die capability of the Rockcrusher, an alternative might be the RCBS Reloader Special-5 Explorer Single Stage Press Kit.  $279.99, Midway part no 998666.  Has a trickler and comes with a digital scale, which is one thing I would add that the Rockcrusher kit doesn't have and meets Outbreak's scale preference.  The frame is aluminum rather than cast iron, but it is an O-press, so shouldn't flex.  He's not going to be loading massive amounts of ammo, so the aluminum should work fine.  Allegedly can be upgraded to a progressive later on, just like the Rockcrusher. 
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    Re: Good Starter Package
    « Reply #8 on: June 02, 2013, 05:47:25 pm »
    http://www.amazon.com/Lee-Precision-Classic-Turret-Press/dp/B008M5TSCG/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1370209417&sr=8-6&keywords=lee+reloading+kit

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    This kit and a set of Lee dies is everything you need to begin reloading. The Classic turret press is fast and convenient when loading handgun cartridges, with rates in excess of 250 rounds per hour possible. The kit includes the Pro Auto-Disk powder measure and riser, perfect for all handgun and small rifle cartridges. Large and Small Safety Primeare included making on press priming an ease. Instant change turret makes changing calibers a snap. Deactivate the auto-index and batch load the longest and largest rifle cartridges. Complementing your press kit are the case conditioning tools to prepare your brass for loading. Includes Cutter, Lock Stud, Chamfer Tool, small and large Primer Pocket Cleaner, and a tube of Lee case sizing lube. Complete it with the cartridge specific Case Length Gauge. Verify your loads with the included Lee Safety powder scale. Completing the kit is Modern Reloading Second Editionrecently revised with all new load data covering 167 cartridges with over 28,000 loads. Note: the Bench Plate system the Classic Turret Press is mounted to in the photo is sold separately.

    What would you want to add/change on this kit?

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    Re: Good Starter Package
    « Reply #9 on: June 02, 2013, 10:42:08 pm »
    The press, for one. Everything else, after that. I have that kit and really cannot say anything nice about it.
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    Re: Good Starter Package
    « Reply #10 on: June 03, 2013, 05:56:29 pm »
    The press, for one. Everything else, after that. I have that kit and really cannot say anything nice about it.

    Hrm.  'kay. 

    You lookin' to sell it? Ne'ermind, looks like you still use it for load development.

    I'm only interested in setting up for two calibers right now - 300 BLK and 9mm - and there're a few threads on here that say the Lee Classic is a good place to learn before moving up to the progressives.

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    Re: Good Starter Package
    « Reply #11 on: June 04, 2013, 04:38:33 pm »
    The Lee Classic is a decent press.  The turret maybe not so much. But if you are going to spend the money, I say buy once cry once.  The Redding Big Boss II is the press for me.  $70 more. 

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