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facotry ammo vs. reloads for .38 Spl +P or .357 Mag.
« on: February 23, 2021, 09:40:13 pm »
So,
Now that the title has everyone confused...
Yes, I know that factory ammo is generally more consistent for mass quantities... or so I've been told by Winchester.

Q#1:  What I really want to know, is that with the current pinch on ammunition supply,
how is the supply of reloaded ammo?

I used to buy good quality 9mm reloads from a guy in MI.
but he retired 5 years ago.

Now, since Christmas, I have a new caliber rifle to feed: a Winchester Model 94(C)ompact in .357 Mag.

I'd like to find some good quality reloads for general use.

Q#2.  Who do you recommend?

and finally:  I know the rifle's previous owner had been shooting .38 Spl +P thru it.  I know from doing my interwebs research, that the .38 Spl +P round is no sweat for that rifle.
*however*
Q#3.  Am I safe to shoot .357 Magnum +P rounds thru said rifle?

video of rifle review: 
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    Re: facotry ammo vs. reloads for .38 Spl +P or .357 Mag.
    « Reply #1 on: February 24, 2021, 01:20:01 am »
    I'd check with Winchester but I imagine so.  Do you actually have .357 magnum ammo labelled " +P " ?   :hmm  Loaded factory ammo is pretty scarce around these parts and that includes commercial reloads.  Lots of place have purchase limits when they actually have ammo available so if you find some I'd buy it. 

    A friend used to have one of the Rossi Puma models in the same caliber and it was a little finicky about some bullet shapes in .38 special.  Apparently it didn't like 158 grain, lead, semi-wadcutters in .38 special.  Same bullet in .357 magnums seemed to work fine.   :shrug

    I always had good luck with Black Hills Ammunition whether it was new production or reloads but I haven't seen any lately in that caliber - or much of anything else. 
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    Re: facotry ammo vs. reloads for .38 Spl +P or .357 Mag.
    « Reply #2 on: February 24, 2021, 12:10:17 pm »
    I got a 20/box of .38 Spl +P Reloads and a 20/box of .357 Magnum +P Federal Hydrashocks with the rifle.

    I think the Hydrashocks are ok to shoot, I'd just like to know for sure, before I pull that trigger.

    And yes, ammunition is proverbial hens teeth here too.
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    Re: facotry ammo vs. reloads for .38 Spl +P or .357 Mag.
    « Reply #3 on: February 24, 2021, 06:22:08 pm »
    Out of curiosity, what is bullet weight and FPS on the Hydrashocks?  I can't remember, if I have ever seen, what .357 mag +p data is.
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    Re: facotry ammo vs. reloads for .38 Spl +P or .357 Mag.
    « Reply #4 on: February 25, 2021, 09:26:09 pm »
    according to the box, they are 158 grn.I googled it, and according to Federal's website, they have a muzzle velocity of 1240 fps  w/ 535 ft.-lbs of muzzle energy when fired from a 4" barrel.... and if I buy from Federal, they're a low low price of only $30.99/box of 20. (+s/h)but...during my interweb searches, I found Buffalo bore ammunition.
    HEAVY 357 MAG OUTDOORSMAN - 180 gr. Hard Cast LFN-GC (1,400fps/M.E. 783 ft. lbs.) 
    Now that is a LOT of hate in one bullet.
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    Re: facotry ammo vs. reloads for .38 Spl +P or .357 Mag.
    « Reply #5 on: February 25, 2021, 10:06:35 pm »
    Buffalo Bore makes some loads that bring some smack down. That 180 grain load would have some oomph out of a carbine. I love hardcast flat nose in my 357 to deer hunt. They punch a great hole and bleed stuff out quick.
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    Re: facotry ammo vs. reloads for .38 Spl +P or .357 Mag.
    « Reply #6 on: February 25, 2021, 11:23:21 pm »
    according to the box, they are 158 grn.I googled it, and according to Federal's website, they have a muzzle velocity of 1240 fps  w/ 535 ft.-lbs of muzzle energy when fired from a 4" barrel.... and if I buy from Federal, they're a low low price of only $30.99/box of 20. (+s/h)but...during my interweb searches, I found Buffalo bore ammunition.
    HEAVY 357 MAG OUTDOORSMAN - 180 gr. Hard Cast LFN-GC (1,400fps/M.E. 783 ft. lbs.) 
    Now that is a LOT of hate in one bullet.

    Okay the +P is marketing.  That is what I figured, but had not seen that from Federal.  I figure normal .357 mag is 158 gr at around 1200-1250. 

    I would watch for leading on the Buffalo loading.  You don't want bullets hard enough to fragment when they hit bone, but hard enough to not fill your rifling with lead.  I don't remember the exact brinnell range, as it has been a few years since I was casting bullets.  I had a problem with leading when I was playing around with some 148 grn wadcutters trying to get a better mid-range loading, 40-70 yard, for a 6" Smith.
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