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Exotic Reloads
« on: January 28, 2009, 06:13:45 pm »
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I've always been a bread and butter sort of guy when it comes to reloading.  I reload because it's cheaper, or because I can't buy a commercial bullet weight/type/performance combination that I want, or to fine in the accuracy of a given firearm.

About a year ago though, I picked up a Smith and Wesson 629 with a 5" barrel.  It is only my second revolver, and given the cost of factory ammo, I've reloaded it from the get go.

One of the things that I noticed about a revolver as compared to a semi-auto, which is what I have primarily loaded for before, is that you can put a whole lot more variety of stuff through a revolver and still expect it to go bang.

And of course, like any hand loader with a reasonable sense of curiosity, I eventually began experimenting...

Aside from the usual stuff, like seeing just how fast a round I could make, or how light recoiling, etc... I started recalling a lot of the old reloading articles that I have read.  At one time, it was popular to make "snake loads" for hand guns.  These were usually bird shot loaded into cartridge cases, intended to blast a snake at short range, presumably while fishing in a bayou.

So I made shot shells for the 44.

And I also recalled "Defender" rounds, which used two or more caliber sized balls in the case to produce a shotgun effect.  I tried those too.

I'm not going to go into much detail about the results at this time, but I will say:  Forget the "snake" load.  At the range at which it will pattern well you would be better off hitting the snake with a heavy stick.  The "Defender" rounds work very well, putting two balls about an inch apart at ten - fifteen yards.  I'm a little ambivalent about them though:  I caught a ricocheting ball glancing across the shin twenty five meters away from the back stop that bled like crazy and I shudder to think of what it would have been like if it had struck the shin square on.

Anyway, anyone have any exotic loads they can talk about?
« Last Edit: January 29, 2009, 05:08:48 am by seanp »
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    Re: Exotic Reloads
    « Reply #1 on: January 28, 2009, 07:27:26 pm »
    ...
    Anyway, anyone have any exotic loads they can talk about?

    I use cream of wheat filler with some of my cast bullet loads, to prevent and to remove leading.  Works with rifle and with pistol rounds, and it's cheap.  I find it pretty satisfying to be able to make some pretty close to full house 158LSWC loads in 357 magnum, and to not have any leading at all.  This works well enough with rifle rounds that I've been able to push my lead boolits a lot harder, limited by the soft bullet not spin-stabilizing instead of by leading.  If you try it, just be sure to work up the loads separately, since the c.o.w. (maybe 1/3 of a cc or 8 grains of c.o.w. for pistol, more c.o.w. for larger rifle cases) adds to the bullet weight when it comes to limiting chamber pressure.

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    Re: Exotic Reloads
    « Reply #2 on: January 28, 2009, 07:59:55 pm »
    I don't have anything for you, haven't quite started reloading yet.

    But, perhaps I can add this to the thread:
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    Re: Exotic Reloads
    « Reply #3 on: January 28, 2009, 08:41:57 pm »
    That's why no technical data yet...

    But yeah, it's worth saying...

    I don't have anything for you, haven't quite started reloading yet.

    But, perhaps I can add this to the thread:
    Neither WeTheArmed.com or it's staff are responsible for use of this data.  You, and you alone, are responsible to verify what loads are safe in your gun  ;D
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    Re: Exotic Reloads
    « Reply #4 on: January 28, 2009, 10:08:35 pm »
    I've not done any of that kind of stuff personally.  But I do have a nice collection of single shot shotguns that some fool destroyed the barrel trying something.  75 bucks at Numrich, and they're good as new.  I'll go heavy on the charge, but I've not messed around with exotic projectiles.


    Folks, if you've meesed around with some non-standard stuff, go ahead and post it.  Just use the disclaimer, eh?
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    Re: Exotic Reloads
    « Reply #5 on: January 30, 2009, 12:07:04 am »
    We made up loading data for my 500 Linebaugh with 2400 and with TrailBoss before it was published and some bullet weights still have not been published. Also have homemade data for alot of uncommon bullet weights. The 45 ACP hog hunting loads using 260 grain LFN-GC bullets for the 454 and H-110 are some of the most accurate we have ever used.




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    Re: Exotic Reloads
    « Reply #6 on: February 07, 2009, 09:37:53 am »
     I have 3 pistols and 2revolvers also 7 rifles also one combination gun. I never use factory cartridges, but .22LR and 12/70.
      I reload, here in Finland, like exotic cartridges: 9.3x57 Mauser and .357Rem Maximum.

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    « Reply #7 on: March 12, 2009, 05:42:17 pm »
    Used to own a TC Contender with a 30 Herrett barrel. Had to make brass from scratch using 30-30. Trim, form, fire form, then load as usual. I'm looking to get into a .338 whisper maybe.
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    « Reply #8 on: March 12, 2009, 08:27:05 pm »
    I'm about to try an odd one... 1) reloading brass that's been converted to boxer primed from berdan and 2) reloading 308 brass that used to be a 308 blank cartridge.

    I do some trading here and there, my cast bullets in return for brass.  One guy wants to trade me and some of his brass described above is on the way to me.  I was especially intrigued, and wary of, the 308 blank brass that's been fired, then trimmed to length.  He says the blank brass casing is the same thickness as a 308/7.62NATO cartridge and that he's shot reloads out of these w/o problems.  Has anyone here ever heard of doing this?  I'm in no hurry to load these and blow up the only 308 I have, but it sounded so neat I had to trade for some in case I do load them.

    The rationale for reloading blanks is that 308 blanks are readily available, and cheaper than once-fired 308 brass.  Dunno myself but I'll have some to play with potentially if I get the urge.

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    « Reply #9 on: March 13, 2009, 10:03:11 am »
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    1) reloading brass that's been converted to boxer primed from berdan

    Looking at them both, the berdan primers appear to be a larger diameter?  Not sure how a boxer primer would seat in the pocket?

    Could be I'm wrong, but they sure look like different outside diameters.
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    « Reply #10 on: March 14, 2009, 08:54:46 am »
    Looking at them both, the berdan primers appear to be a larger diameter?  Not sure how a boxer primer would seat in the pocket?

    Could be I'm wrong, but they sure look like different outside diameters.

    I don't know but I'll be finding out soon.  They guy I'm trading with for these told me that the berdan LR primers are 0.001" smaller than the boxer LR primers.  He claims he spent $250 to buy some special end mills, countersinks, and the like, and uses those.  He says he counterbores out the spent berdan primer and cuts out the berdan primer pocket and anvil.  Then he drills a flash hole in it and is done.  I suppose it could work in theory, I don't know how one would not remove too much brass from the head of the case and weaken it, or some other unforseen problem.  However, he says he's done this a lot and has shot them w/o problems.  I'm trading for this converted brass so all it's costing me is $11 for the flat rate USPS postage to send him what I'm trading him (cast bullets I made).

    The stuff ought to arrive today or Monday, so I'll post back when I get them.  I'm wary ("what could possibly go wrong", heh heh) but I'm willing to be convinced.  This is one of the odder things I've ever heard of, and I've read a lot of weird stuff on the internet too.

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    « Reply #11 on: March 14, 2009, 05:31:24 pm »
    Back in the 70's I read an article on flechette rounds for the .44mag.  Had a friend to load some caps with small diameter welding rod cut at an angle at both ends.  The snake shot caps contained the rod nicely and the round would create havoc on a thawed chicken against some drywall without penetrating the backup.  Haven't done it since, but since the remember is working, I just might play with it.

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    « Reply #12 on: March 16, 2009, 03:54:25 pm »
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    2) reloading 308 brass that used to be a 308 blank cartridge.

    Be careful--blanks are often made from inferior brass.  Since it doesn't have to stand up to the same kind of pressure, it works for that application.

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