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Are dies universal?
« on: October 19, 2010, 04:42:07 am »
Just like the topic says, I want to know if reloading dies have more-or-less universal mounting. So if I buy a set of Dillon dies, will they fit in my Lee press?

Reason I ask is that only one company (Forster) is currently making dies for the new 300 AAC BLACKOUT cartridge. If and when I go down that road (and I reallllly want to) I'll definitely be reloading for it.
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    Re: Are dies universal?
    « Reply #1 on: October 19, 2010, 06:44:49 am »
    My guess (I've never reloaded) is;  No.  Otherwise you wouldn't have to buy "insert logo here"'s products to fit "same logo"'s setup.  You could shop around and piece it together bit by bit, saving youself (not "logo") some money.
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    Re: Are dies universal?
    « Reply #2 on: October 19, 2010, 08:35:57 am »
    I'll wait for a more authoritative answer, but my first instinct is Yes. 
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    Re: Are dies universal?
    « Reply #3 on: October 19, 2010, 08:37:08 am »
    You can use different manufacturer's dies.  They will all fit into the presses, no matter which one you get.  However, there are certain calibers that might not work.  For example, I think .50 BMG requires its own special press due to the size. 
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    Re: Are dies universal?
    « Reply #4 on: October 19, 2010, 08:38:03 am »
    Pretty much they're standardized.  I have Hornady dies I use in my Lee press with an RCBS shell holder, for example.
    Unless we're talking turrets or special twist locks or something, theyr'e usually interchangable.
    .50BMG will require a longer throw than most presses are capable of handling.

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    Re: Are dies universal?
    « Reply #5 on: October 19, 2010, 08:45:03 am »
    There are different sized dies out there, but there is standard is 7/8-14 thread setup to headspace with universal shellholders.  7/8-14 dies from Forster, RCBS, Lee, Hornady, Dillon, Redding, Pacific, Hollywood, Herters, C-H, Lachmiller, Simplex and others will all interchange, although shellholders where formerly proprietary, the headspace dimensions have been common for more than 50 years.

    Although Forster dies are generally excellent, be careful in being an early adopter of a new cartridge.  It may take a while to get the kinks ironed out.  


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    Re: Are dies universal?
    « Reply #6 on: October 19, 2010, 08:46:31 am »
    They are 99% standardized with 2 glaring exceptions-

    The Dillon "square deal B" and a 50 BMG die.  They take there own special hole.

    My RCBS rockchucker supreme for example has the insert screwed in the top to take standard dies.  You take it out, and presto, you can screw in a 50 BMG die.  I have Redding, RCBS, Pacific, Lee, Lyman, and a couple other brands of dies.  They all screw into my dillon 650, my rockchucker, or my brother in laws lee progressive, or my old RCBS jr. press.
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    Re: Are dies universal?
    « Reply #7 on: October 19, 2010, 09:12:00 am »
    They are 99% standardized with 2 glaring exceptions-

    The Dillon "square deal B" and a 50 BMG die.  They take there own special hole.

    My RCBS rockchucker supreme for example has the insert screwed in the top to take standard dies.  You take it out, and presto, you can screw in a 50 BMG die.  I have Redding, RCBS, Pacific, Lee, Lyman, and a couple other brands of dies.  They all screw into my dillon 650, my rockchucker, or my brother in laws lee progressive, or my old RCBS jr. press.

    Hadn't thought of this one, but of course correct.  There are other large and small diameter dies, but they are generally easy to avoid.  Lyman and Simplex make a series of 5/8 dies although they do not interchange.  These are for use in the tong style tools and older Lyman, CH and Simplex presses. One of my Herters presses came with a bushing to permit the use of 5/8 dies.  The Lyman style and Simplex style do not interchange as they have different threads.

    There are a variety of larger diameter dies for use with cartridges larger in diameter than the .416 Rigby.  These start at 1" and go up more than 2".  These are fairly specialized and thread diameter are often matched up to a particular press or manufacturers standard replacement top bushing.  
     
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    Re: Are dies universal?
    « Reply #8 on: October 19, 2010, 09:33:51 am »
    One of the best tips I got was to buy the Hornady LNL adapter and bushings.  They fit all the usual presses and allow you to just pop your dies in and out.  I've got it on an RCBS RockChucker, and the bushings on Dillon Dies, works really slick.
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    Re: Are dies universal?
    « Reply #9 on: October 19, 2010, 11:30:51 am »
    They are 99% standardized with 2 glaring exceptions-

    The Dillon "square deal B" and a 50 BMG die.  They take there own special hole.

    There is a third glaring exception - those dies intended solely for use with arbor presses. They're not common anymore, but you wouldn't have muck luck trying to use one in a press with the standard 7/8"-14 threads.

    Here's an example:
    http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=648247
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    Re: Are dies universal?
    « Reply #10 on: October 19, 2010, 11:52:00 am »
    There is a third glaring exception - those dies intended solely for use with arbor presses. They're not common anymore, but you wouldn't have muck luck trying to use one in a press with the standard 7/8"-14 threads.

    Here's an example:
    http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=648247

    It's true. One could possibly confuse a Wilson style or hand die, esp. when ordering from a catalog or over the net.   

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    Re: Are dies universal?
    « Reply #11 on: October 19, 2010, 02:48:53 pm »
    Wow, thanks for all the responses!

    I don't plan on getting into the 300BLK too soon. They're trickling out complete uppers right now and ammo isn't even expected to be available for a couple months, brass next year. I'm definitely going to wait and see who is announcing what at SHOT, and then I'll probably end up deploying early next year. I'd say I'm at least a year from being able to do it. By then there will be plenty of bugs discovered by the early adopters and I'll know what I'm getting into.

    Either way, this is good info anyway since I'm looking to expand the calibers I load beyond just the .223 I do right now, and my favorite gun shop is a Dillon dealer with a wide selection of Dillon dies. Now that I know they'll fit in my Lee press, I can start loading .40.
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    Re: Are dies universal?
    « Reply #12 on: October 19, 2010, 04:43:51 pm »
    Glad to be wrong.
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