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Anyone using Titegroup? Reloader15? Keep it, or swap it?
« on: January 22, 2018, 01:39:42 am »
I've got three one pound bottles of Titegroup, brand new.  Also one pound of Reloader 15.  All unopened. 

I have an opportunity to swap some or all into varying quantities of W231 (2#), H335 (16#), IMR 4064 (25#), W748 (8#).  I already snagged all of the H110 (1.25#), IMR 2495 (1#) and Bullseye (1#).  All of this is older powder, stored properly, and I'm not worried about it going bad.

I don't think I really need any more rifle powder.  At least not right now.  I've got Bullseye for the 9mm, and Unique for the 173gr .38 Special bullets.  I'm mostly interested in powders that work well with .45 ACP.  I'm thinking of getting the W231, as it's supposed to be identical to HP38. 

What's the RL15 best for?  Should I keep it?  Or some or all of the Titegroup?

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    Re: Anyone using Titegroup? Reloader15? Keep it, or swap it?
    « Reply #1 on: January 22, 2018, 07:48:22 am »
    I go through a lot of RL-15 for the 7mm -08s in the gang.  (I'm reloading for 6 of them now.)  Have a friend that swears by it for .308 Win. 

    It's also good in .30-06, with 150-165 gr. bullets.
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    « Reply #2 on: January 22, 2018, 11:24:58 am »
    I have the '06 covered, and sufficient IMR 3031 and 4895 for the .308 and .30-30.  At least I think I do.  I seem to shoot handguns way more than the hunting rifles, so that's what I'm most interested in.
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    Re: Anyone using Titegroup? Reloader15? Keep it, or swap it?
    « Reply #3 on: January 22, 2018, 02:44:26 pm »
    One comment:  H335 has been marketed in two versions.  The older version was from military surplus powder lots and has a significantly slower burn rate than the newer commercial production version. 
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    « Reply #4 on: January 22, 2018, 08:35:45 pm »
    One comment:  H335 has been marketed in two versions.  The older version was from military surplus powder lots and has a significantly slower burn rate than the newer commercial production version. 

    Good point.  Not sure on the age of the H335, but that's what I use for the AR, and I have enough already for the remaining 350 projectiles in the cupboard.
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    Re: Anyone using Titegroup? Reloader15? Keep it, or swap it?
    « Reply #5 on: January 22, 2018, 11:37:44 pm »
    The H335 label will note if it contains surplus powder.
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    Re: Anyone using Titegroup? Reloader15? Keep it, or swap it?
    « Reply #6 on: January 23, 2018, 11:05:29 am »
    So, nobody's using Titegroup or W231 for .45 ACP?  Or we just don't have that many reloaders here?
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    Re: Anyone using Titegroup? Reloader15? Keep it, or swap it?
    « Reply #7 on: January 23, 2018, 03:39:20 pm »
    So, nobody's using Titegroup or W231 for .45 ACP?  Or we just don't have that many reloaders here?
    Probably both.

    With the price and supply of ammo being currently stabilized, you couldn't pay me the cost per round, to reload my own.  As in, I value my time at higher than the cost of whatever I could churn out.

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    « Reply #8 on: January 24, 2018, 12:05:43 am »
    I still haven't got my reloading stuff set up.  But I have not played with either, and shipping to me is such a PIA that I just buy what I can find and the local ammo store.  I have been reloading .45 ACP with Unique and Blue Dot.

    So, nobody's using Titegroup or W231 for .45 ACP?  Or we just don't have that many reloaders here?
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    Re: Anyone using Titegroup? Reloader15? Keep it, or swap it?
    « Reply #9 on: January 24, 2018, 10:07:24 am »
    Like Kaso said...

    At present I am well stocked on powder, primers, bullets, brass.  But I am still buying what I shoot for the most part, especially in common pistol and rifle cartridges.  10mm, 6.5 Grendel Match ammo, 260 Remington, 300 Win Mag and 458 SOCOM are really all I load for lately.
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    Re: Anyone using Titegroup? Reloader15? Keep it, or swap it?
    « Reply #10 on: January 24, 2018, 11:12:06 am »
      titegroup should work as well as bullseye for .45 acp loads. as should 231.  I myself don't use them.

      I load .45 acps but they're pop cast loads for my webley revolver where I don't want to shoot standard pressure .45.

     I can't load fmj .45's as cheap as I can buy them, at least for the bother of doing it.

     
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    Re: Anyone using Titegroup? Reloader15? Keep it, or swap it?
    « Reply #11 on: January 24, 2018, 11:35:14 am »
    As far as the cost goes, A) I enjoy the process, and the time spent doing it, so reloading is recreational, so I don't factor in the cost of my time; and B) I cast my own bullets, so can make more ammo, tailored to shoot best in my guns, for way cheaper than I can buy the equivalent quantity of factory ammo.  Even for hunting ammo, where I buy jacketed bullets, I made 50 .30-06 rounds for the same cost as 20 factory rounds.
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    Re: Anyone using Titegroup? Reloader15? Keep it, or swap it?
    « Reply #12 on: January 25, 2018, 05:05:23 pm »
    Since I'm running a Dillon 550 reloading press, I'm much more comfortable with powders that fill the case at least halfway, preferably a little over half, in case I have a brain fart, and forget to index the shell plate.  Makes double charged cases REALLY obvious! 

    So that eliminates W-231, and anything with a similar burn rate/charge weight.
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    « Reply #13 on: January 26, 2018, 01:38:16 am »
    I only have .45 ACP, .30 Carbine and .223 shellplates for my 550B.  It came with the .45 ACP stuff, and I bought the others later.  I haven't actually used it for .45s yet.  When last used it was for .223, and while a double charge wasn't possible, a "no charge" was.  So, after loading up a bunch, I weighed the loaded rounds, two at a time.  A loaded round was over 170gr.  So, two at a time, if the scale didn't go over 340 every time, I'd know one was missing its powder.  24.8gr is way more than can be accounted for with case variations.  Unfortunately, I don't think I can use that method when I set up to do .45 ACP.
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    « Reply #14 on: January 26, 2018, 10:59:43 am »
    Since I'm running a Dillon 550 reloading press, I'm much more comfortable with powders that fill the case at least halfway, preferably a little over half, in case I have a brain fart, and forget to index the shell plate.  Makes double charged cases REALLY obvious! 

    So that eliminates W-231, and anything with a similar burn rate/charge weight.

    Glad you mentioned that.  Frankly it is unfortunate that most loading manual fail to include case fill density information.
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    « Reply #15 on: February 08, 2018, 09:26:11 pm »
    I only have .45 ACP, .30 Carbine and .223 shellplates for my 550B.  It came with the .45 ACP stuff, and I bought the others later.  I haven't actually used it for .45s yet.  When last used it was for .223, and while a double charge wasn't possible, a "no charge" was.  So, after loading up a bunch, I weighed the loaded rounds, two at a time.  A loaded round was over 170gr.  So, two at a time, if the scale didn't go over 340 every time, I'd know one was missing its powder.  24.8gr is way more than can be accounted for with case variations.  Unfortunately, I don't think I can use that method when I set up to do .45 ACP.

    Just remember, if you've got the .45 ACP shellplate, it will work on anything with the same size case head, i.e., any .308, .30-06, or 7X57-based case.  Which is most of the popular sporting cartridges.  All you need are the dies!
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    « Reply #16 on: February 08, 2018, 10:14:56 pm »
    Just remember, if you've got the .45 ACP shellplate, it will work on anything with the same size case head, i.e., any .308, .30-06, or 7X57-based case.  Which is most of the popular sporting cartridges.  All you need are the dies!
    Oh, I'm well aware of that.  However, with hunting ammo I'm more inclined to get close with the powder measure then trickle one particle of powder at a time to get an exact powder charge (or as close as my scale will allow).  I'll use the 550b for .223 or .30 Carbine blasting ammo, but for .308 or .30-06, I take my time and try to get it exact.
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    Re: Anyone using Titegroup? Reloader15? Keep it, or swap it?
    « Reply #17 on: February 09, 2018, 04:14:37 pm »
    I've got three one pound bottles of Titegroup, brand new.  Also one pound of Reloader 15.  All unopened. 

    I have an opportunity to swap some or all into varying quantities of W231 (2#), H335 (16#), IMR 4064 (25#), W748 (8#).  I already snagged all of the H110 (1.25#), IMR 2495 (1#) and Bullseye (1#).  All of this is older powder, stored properly, and I'm not worried about it going bad.

    I don't think I really need any more rifle powder.  At least not right now.  I've got Bullseye for the 9mm, and Unique for the 173gr .38 Special bullets.  I'm mostly interested in powders that work well with .45 ACP.  I'm thinking of getting the W231, as it's supposed to be identical to HP38. 

    What's the RL15 best for?  Should I keep it?  Or some or all of the Titegroup?

    Opinions?

    RL 15 is one of the "go to" powders for heavy bullets (77 grain SMK and up) match bullets for precision loads in .223/5.56.  Lot of guys shooting sub MOA use it.  I have all I need, though.  Has to be individually weighed in that role as it is an extruded powder and match ammo needs high consistency charge to charge.  It is shorter than my favorite light bullet match powder, long grain extruded H-4895, so meters a little better.  Not good for lighter than 69 grain bullets, though.
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    Re: Anyone using Titegroup? Reloader15? Keep it, or swap it?
    « Reply #18 on: February 09, 2018, 06:36:52 pm »
    I could be wrong, but I think that powder volume is more important than precise powder weight.  I get excellent accuracy from handgun and rifle rounds loaded on the RL-550-B press, without going through all that hassle.  I weigh about every 10th charge, and as long as it weighs +/- 0.10 grains, I'm okay with it. 

    Of course, I'm not fine-tuning a load to a particular rifle.  My .30-06 loads have to work in three different rifles, my 7mm-08 loads have to work in 6 different rifles, etc.  But I've never had an issue with accuracy, out to 300 yards.
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    « Reply #19 on: February 12, 2018, 04:13:04 pm »
    I could be wrong, but I think that powder volume is more important than precise powder weight.  I get excellent accuracy from handgun and rifle rounds loaded on the RL-550-B press, without going through all that hassle.  I weigh about every 10th charge, and as long as it weighs +/- 0.10 grains, I'm okay with it. 

    Of course, I'm not fine-tuning a load to a particular rifle.  My .30-06 loads have to work in three different rifles, my 7mm-08 loads have to work in 6 different rifles, etc.  But I've never had an issue with accuracy, out to 300 yards.

    Yes, you are right, generally speaking.  But, those loads are pricey 52 grain Berger match bullets in Lapua match cases, benchrest prepped and shoot under 1/2 MOA in that match barrel.  That combo is more accurate than I can shoot.  I'm the limiting factor.  I've shot groups down in the .3s, but .4s are more typical.  You do have to weight those charges.

    My RCBS Uniflo powder charger cannot get the .10 grain consistency with these extruded powder, so I have to throw short and trickle.  Time consuming, but with match ammo I have to do it that way.

    My main hunting rifle(s), three of them, are chambered in .280 Rem.  Like you, I have a load with RL-19 that shoots well in all of them and is not finicky to load.  Don't have to be benchrest precise with the powder charge.  One MOA is good enough and two of the three are capable of that.  The third is 2 MOA on a good day, but that is plenty good enough for the distances we shoot whitetails around here (inside 250 yards, invariably).
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